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yes but we have in the past been paid very late , So I can empathise, we didnt blame the NFU at that time
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yes but we have in the past been paid very late , So I can empathise, we didnt blame the NFU at that time
gone up the hill
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- Devon
Different situation then!
No doubt if you hadn't been paid yet you wouldnt hold the same views as you currently do!
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- Boroughbridge, york
read what I wrote pls. One year we didn't get paid until March for no fault of our own . It wasn't fun but who knew who to blame and didn't shoot the messenger
cattleman123
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- devon
Nothing yet here...
deutz.agrostar
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- Helston, Cornwall
+1
gone up the hill
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Billhook
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As I have said before, there is no hope of any improvement in the performance of any civil servant unless there is a personal financial penalty for failure. We see it all the way through from the NHS to the Social Services, Police and elsewhere. Scandal after scandal and the only one punished is the taxpayer.
The Single Farm Payment has now been reduced to two thirds of what it was ten years ago and the whole idea is to phase it out completely. But they will have to work out what they want. Cheap food or food security. I was born in 1953 and my parents were still on food rations. This was all because of our reliance on food from the colonies which was broken off in the war.
Standard rationing during World War II
The standard rations during World War II are as follows. Quantities are per week unless otherwise stated.[29]
Food rations
Item Maximum level Minimum level Rations (April 1945)
Bacon and Ham 8 oz (227 g) 4 oz (113 g) 4 oz (113 g)
Sugar 16 oz (454 g) 8 oz (227 g) 8 oz (227 g)
Loose Tea 4 oz (113 g) 2 oz (57 g) 2 oz (57 g)
Meat 1 s. 2d. 1s 1s. 2d.
Cheese 8 oz (227 g) 1 oz (28 g) 2 oz (57 g)
Vegetarians were allowed an extra 3 oz (85 g) cheese[30]
Preserves 1 lb (0.45 kg) per month
2 lb (0.91 kg) marmalade 8 oz (227 g) per month 2 lb (0.91 kg) marmalade
or 1 lb (0.45 kg) preserve
or 1 lb (0.45 kg) sugar
Butter 8 oz (227 g) 2 oz (57 g) 2 oz (57 g)
Margarine 12 oz (340 g) 4 oz (113 g) 4 oz (113 g)
Lard 3 oz (85 g) 2 oz (57 g) 2 oz (57 g)
Sweets 16 oz (454 g) per month 8 oz (227 g) per month 12 oz (340 g) per month
It was the horror of this which started the whole policy of Britain feeding itself and throughout the 1950s and 60s there was a revolution in plant and animal breeding, fertilisers, chemicals, field sizes, hedge removal, land drainage and soil improvement not forgetting the machinery developments.
This culminated in us producing regular four ton an acre wheat crops by 1984 and we like many others sent a ton to Africa to try and help there. ( I am not sure that did any more than destroy the local agriculture and make them reliant on overseas aid)
Mountains of grain were produced and the stores in Europe were so full that they came up with a scheme to set aside 10% of our farms. We were compensated for that but not enough to match what we would nave earned from the 10%
That payment was convoluted in to the BFP after a series of political manoeuvres to try and control farmers and prevent the French type of scenario where the streets of Paris are blocked by sheep and tractors.
This policy has worked very well but for those of you fearing a lack of any help from the government in the case of a Brexit, I would think that any government would be foolish to forget the French scenario. The Countryside March was not really about anything that seemed to be very important to the viabilty of UK farming, but it was amazingly effective in demonstrating the potential power of such a march.
No one in this country, not even me, has had to queue for a loaf of bread. Food is abundant and cheap and 80% of people are overweight. All this could change as quickly as it did in 1939. Food security is what the NFU should be preaching. We spend a fortune by comparison on the armed forces for national security and food security should be in the same league,
We spend about £40 billion on defence and £3 billion on agriculture.
Hence we should feel no more guilty about being paid for it than any other civil servant, teacher, doctor nurse, colonel or social worker
The UK should aim to feed itself..
The Single Farm Payment has now been reduced to two thirds of what it was ten years ago and the whole idea is to phase it out completely. But they will have to work out what they want. Cheap food or food security. I was born in 1953 and my parents were still on food rations. This was all because of our reliance on food from the colonies which was broken off in the war.
Standard rationing during World War II
The standard rations during World War II are as follows. Quantities are per week unless otherwise stated.[29]
Food rations
Item Maximum level Minimum level Rations (April 1945)
Bacon and Ham 8 oz (227 g) 4 oz (113 g) 4 oz (113 g)
Sugar 16 oz (454 g) 8 oz (227 g) 8 oz (227 g)
Loose Tea 4 oz (113 g) 2 oz (57 g) 2 oz (57 g)
Meat 1 s. 2d. 1s 1s. 2d.
Cheese 8 oz (227 g) 1 oz (28 g) 2 oz (57 g)
Vegetarians were allowed an extra 3 oz (85 g) cheese[30]
Preserves 1 lb (0.45 kg) per month
2 lb (0.91 kg) marmalade 8 oz (227 g) per month 2 lb (0.91 kg) marmalade
or 1 lb (0.45 kg) preserve
or 1 lb (0.45 kg) sugar
Butter 8 oz (227 g) 2 oz (57 g) 2 oz (57 g)
Margarine 12 oz (340 g) 4 oz (113 g) 4 oz (113 g)
Lard 3 oz (85 g) 2 oz (57 g) 2 oz (57 g)
Sweets 16 oz (454 g) per month 8 oz (227 g) per month 12 oz (340 g) per month
It was the horror of this which started the whole policy of Britain feeding itself and throughout the 1950s and 60s there was a revolution in plant and animal breeding, fertilisers, chemicals, field sizes, hedge removal, land drainage and soil improvement not forgetting the machinery developments.
This culminated in us producing regular four ton an acre wheat crops by 1984 and we like many others sent a ton to Africa to try and help there. ( I am not sure that did any more than destroy the local agriculture and make them reliant on overseas aid)
Mountains of grain were produced and the stores in Europe were so full that they came up with a scheme to set aside 10% of our farms. We were compensated for that but not enough to match what we would nave earned from the 10%
That payment was convoluted in to the BFP after a series of political manoeuvres to try and control farmers and prevent the French type of scenario where the streets of Paris are blocked by sheep and tractors.
This policy has worked very well but for those of you fearing a lack of any help from the government in the case of a Brexit, I would think that any government would be foolish to forget the French scenario. The Countryside March was not really about anything that seemed to be very important to the viabilty of UK farming, but it was amazingly effective in demonstrating the potential power of such a march.
No one in this country, not even me, has had to queue for a loaf of bread. Food is abundant and cheap and 80% of people are overweight. All this could change as quickly as it did in 1939. Food security is what the NFU should be preaching. We spend a fortune by comparison on the armed forces for national security and food security should be in the same league,
We spend about £40 billion on defence and £3 billion on agriculture.
Hence we should feel no more guilty about being paid for it than any other civil servant, teacher, doctor nurse, colonel or social worker
The UK should aim to feed itself..
gone up the hill
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- Devon
29000 still to be paid!
Chances are many of them won't be paid untill April/ May or even June! So its a different kettle of fish that year when a handfull of claims didn't get paid untill March at the latest!
gone up the hill
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- Devon
Will be very intresting to see if anyone gets paid today/ tomorrow, if they don't then its safe to say the RPA will miss their own self inflicted target by a long mile!
wasted years
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- Cumbrian born and bread
Feed ourselves Billhook?
Lets start by paying ourselves.
Lets start by paying ourselves.
deutz.agrostar
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- Helston, Cornwall
HOLD THE FRONT PAGE "Good News & Bad News"
Tomorrow I have a payment coming in the from those good old boys (and girls) at the RPA............... (that's the good bit)
Based on £72/acre it represents less than 35% of my claim? Obviously no explanation yet and with no further information I'm wondering if it's a part payment for HLS that is well overdue too. I do hope for everyone else's sake it is BPS as that means their is a payment run, however I'm concerned it's so little.
I'll see if I can find out more before I change my vote, but gut feeling is that it must be a part BPS payment.
Tomorrow I have a payment coming in the from those good old boys (and girls) at the RPA............... (that's the good bit)
Based on £72/acre it represents less than 35% of my claim? Obviously no explanation yet and with no further information I'm wondering if it's a part payment for HLS that is well overdue too. I do hope for everyone else's sake it is BPS as that means their is a payment run, however I'm concerned it's so little.
I'll see if I can find out more before I change my vote, but gut feeling is that it must be a part BPS payment.
gone up the hill
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- Location
- Devon
If its only 35% then it will be very unlikely to be the BPS payment!
deutz.agrostar
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- Location
- Helston, Cornwall
Well unless there is something wrong with my claim? perhaps they are just rushing through and paying the "safe" part of people's claim, when I spoke to the RPA last week they did say that my claim still had an "open case" being worked on.
Walterp
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- Location
- Pembrokeshire
We think the same...
But could you please tell us more about the fragrant Mrs Batters' performance?
- Location
- East Sussex
Difficult one to twist into bad PR for the RPA and good PR for the greedy farmers though.
Walterp
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- Location
- Pembrokeshire
Well, first step is to look for the weak spot, right?
The RPA's weak spot might, perhaps, be the bitter in-fighting and politicking - most people would accept news about poor systems, how much they cost, who is to blame.
It's a bit like a ball of wool (I used to advise divorcing clients like this) in that, once you start picking at a loose end, the whole thing can unravel surprisingly quickly.
A good place to start would be the NFU officers, who must have gleaned much more than they have hitherto said, out of politeness.
Second step is to realise that much of the public now regard farmers as les nouveaux pauvre.
deutz.agrostar
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- Helston, Cornwall
+1 I'd like to know more about that too....
- Location
- East Sussex
Probably best in another thread but I agree with all you say except the last sentence. I very much doubt much of the public see us as being the have nots.
after a couple years like that it wouldn't make much odds
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