BPS 15 payments England

[gone up the hill]

Trust me, if I find anything out that I think will help members and alleviate anxiety I would put it on our website immediately.

But thanks for the supportive words.

We are all supportive of the work you are doing on the BPS ( even if it may not seem like it sometimes ) but we the members are being lead up the garden path by the RPA and the longer it goes on the worse the uncertainty becomes as the RPA are saying one thing and doing something totally different!

 

[An Gof]

Well im more concerned with this year but the latest I have been paid ( until now ) is late Dec and that was the first year of the CAP!

The figure of 4400 is what I have worked out the RPA will pay from what their latest briefing said ( came out around mid week I recall ) they didn't state anything like 8000 will be paid this week! last week they only managed around 3500 payments !

Its totally unacceptable the way they have told 1000s of farmers at the last minute they might not be paid for months ( esp given that until today the implication was that everyone without a letter of doom would be paid by the end of Jan ) there was a rumour from the CLA a couple of weeks ago that thousands of new letters of doom would be sent out but that didn't transpire at the time ( thou clearly has today )

If the RPA knew they couldn't pay these claims due to this EU reg they must have known weeks ago, I cannot believe that if this was the case they couldn't have informed the farmers that got the email today that they wouldn't be paid until at least Feb! even if they couldn't tell farmers the reason they could have at least told these farmers their payments were going to be delayed for some time and the RPA could have done this weeks ago to allow the farmers to plan ahead!

What they have done today is unacceptable and cannot go unchallenged at the highest level!

I know Jim well, from talking to him on sat im fairly sure who he will be voting for as president and who he will be voting for as deputy, suffice to say you could have a new role at the top level and someone else will have your current role, who that may be is the difficult question...

Thou of course the general feeling is if you had went for president you would have won it fairly easily..

You must have been lucky if you have ALWAYS been paid in December. I think @Guy Smith might be correct. Just checked my records and my 2005 claim was paid on 31st March 2006.

 

[Guy Smith]

I agree we need to concentrate on the present but we need to be correct on our history here.

As can be seen here

http://www.ombudsman.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/1020/Cold-Comfort-Full.pdf

No one was paid before March 2006 in the 2005/6 year.

 

[RushesToo]

For all of you fed up of not getting a mail with any information for ages. You are entitled to a response by applying for a freedom of information request by applying here:
https://www.gov.uk/make-a-freedom-of-information-request
The details of how to apply are here:
https://www.gov.uk/make-a-freedom-of-information-request/how-to-make-an-foi-request

By very specific about your request and you will have an answer in 20 days.
This is one of the best laws that accidentally got passed by a government so fill your boots and really find out what is going on.

 

[milkloss]

For all of you fed up of not getting a mail with any information for ages. You are entitled to a response by applying for a freedom of information request by applying here:
https://www.gov.uk/make-a-freedom-of-information-request
The details of how to apply are here:
https://www.gov.uk/make-a-freedom-of-information-request/how-to-make-an-foi-request

By very specific about your request and you will have an answer in 20 days.
This is one of the best laws that accidentally got passed by a government so fill your boots and really find out what is going on.

That's what I thought until someone suggested they couldn't inform you if your claim is being held up because of a remote sensing inspection. It was thought the reason is so the claimant didn't correct any discrepancies there may be on the ground. Don't know how this would work with the FOI request?

 

[RushesToo]

That's what I thought until someone suggested they couldn't inform you if your claim is being held up because of a remote sensing inspection. It was thought the reason is so the claimant didn't correct any discrepancies there may be on the ground. Don't know how this would work with the FOI request?

There are certain circumstances under which information can be withheld, this in itself tells you something and it is still free and MUST be answered.
I can't see what is to lose - apart from it costs money, but it might make them smarten up their act.As a taxpayer, like everyone here, I personally feel that the cost is an affordable way of showing my displeasure at their cr*p performance.

 

[livingthedream]

That's what I thought until someone suggested they couldn't inform you if your claim is being held up because of a remote sensing inspection. It was thought the reason is so the claimant didn't correct any discrepancies there may be on the ground. Don't know how this would work with the FOI request?

Surely if there are any discrepancies they are by error not deliberate therefore you would be unaware of your error.

 

[milkloss]

Surely if there are any discrepancies they are by error not deliberate therefore you would be unaware of your error.

Possibly but if they told there was a problem you would go hunting for it, dig up some hard standing or remove a track for example. They don't want you to do that, they want to catch you out.

 

[llamedos]

Listen to @Guy Smith on Farming Today from earlier http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z255q fwd to 06:50

 

[Kryten]

Well as at 8am today, no letters, no emails, no monies showing today or tomorrow. I wonder where that leaves me?!?

 

[franklin]

Surely if there are any discrepancies they are by error not deliberate therefore you would be unaware of your error.

Possibly but if they told there was a problem you would go hunting for it, dig up some hard standing or remove a track for example. They don't want you to do that, they want to catch you out.

I think, given the pee poor performance of the RPA, them actually trying to find fault with accidental errors when we were promised an almost foolproof and self-checking online system would be the straw that broke the camels back.

 

[deutz.agrostar]

Well as at 8am today, no letters, no emails, no monies showing today or tomorrow. I wonder where that leaves me?!?

+1

 

[nonemouse]

Well as at 8am today, no letters, no emails, no monies showing today or tomorrow. I wonder where that leaves me?!?

+1

 

[gone up the hill]

Possibly but if they told there was a problem you would go hunting for it, dig up some hard standing or remove a track for example. They don't want you to do that, they want to catch you out.

Who for example in their right mind would dig up a a hard track costing £2000 or whatever just avoid a fine for a couple of hundred quid??

I think the real point is that the RPA should have told all the people that got these emails yesterday weeks ago that they wouldn't be getting paid by the end of Jan! ( even if they couldn't tell them the reason why )

 

[An Gof]

Well as at 8am today, no letters, no emails, no monies showing today or tomorrow. I wonder where that leaves me?!?

In the same place as me .......... totally confused

 

[Einstien]

Just to save anyone else 20 mins waiting on the phone - I rang in, the call takers cant tell you anything about the inspection, just keep quoting the line "All the information I have, is the Information that was sent to you" i.e. the email. So still no idea what the inspection was, or what it was for?

 

[herefordian]

+1

Likewise-clearly hoping to vote for the next new choice on poll-paid 1st week Feb! Not holding breath.

 

[gone up the hill]

Listen to @Guy Smith on Farming Today from earlier http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z255q fwd to 06:50

Going on a farming programme when most people are asleep in bed isnt going to help one iota!!

All it means is the NFU can say is we are doing something when in reality they are achieving zero on the BPS issue!

 

[Treacle Sponge]

We've received the "inspection" e mail too and are not surprised. The RPA have spent many fruitless hours re-calculating our old claims - going back YEARS - and then telling us that we owe them money (£8,000+) or they owe us money (damn sight less) and I have spent literally HOURS on the phone (headbanging the kitchen table) trying to find out WHY. In every case, we have done nothing wrong but are completely powerless to do anything more than harass the poor Helpline staff, who have been brilliant. It would have seemed just too good to be true if this claim came through unscathed.

 

[Extreme Optimist]

No email, no letter, no payment. How are you supposed to run a business like this!!