BPS/ELMS what am I missing?

[Chris W]

As no one else appears to be shouting about it, I feel like I am missing something...

UK Gov have committed to keeping total farm subsidy levels the same as Pre-Brexit for 7 years.

BPS payments are being cut this year but the ELMS replacement doesn’t start until 2024...

In the mean time where is the money going? How do we access the equivalent to BPS? Is it going into existing CS schemes, small grant schemes etc?

 

[midlandslad]

Countryside Stewardship, Pilot Schemes and the Sustainable Farming Incentive

 

[farmerfred86]

"Paying farmers to retire with grace" quite astonishing really.

 

[Farma Parma]

Thats pretty much it as it seems
Its looking like we all will have to take the DOLE cuts at the start somehow.
Farm Rent discussions will take place id say later this year but deffo next year.
This short spike in grain & livestock prices is helping everyone in very difficult times in our country & beyond.
People still have too Eat thankfully.
But this whole farce of interim scheme all it will do is create more confusion & line the pockets of the Land Agents & associated pen pushers
most cert not the farmers.
Ive nothing new to report on ELSMS T&T but as n when i will
We will have to embrace ELMS as best as possible because as a Tenant if & when we can get any Rents lowered that will be it & your on your own after that id say
I also agree that paying Farmers to Retire waffle n & encouraging young blood straight into the deepend or the fire so too speak who ever though that was progress eh
A Friend has looked into that for himeself & he thought oh maybes it would give his son a welcome start, alas no use
cant be for an exsisting family member.
Its taking me 30+ years of having v little to work with to build things up too how iam personally setup now.
It wont happen much quicker for anyone starting out so whats changed ??

 

[Chris W]

Countryside Stewardship, Pilot Schemes and the Sustainable Farming Incentive

The Countryside Stewardship scheme existed before Brexit. I am not aware in any extension to this scheme?

Surely the pilot schemes in theory should only be paying out the equivalent to the pilot farms loss in BPS?

Sustainable Farming Incentive doesnt exist yet.. ?

 

[Farma Parma]

The Countryside Stewardship scheme existed before Brexit. I am not aware in any extension to this scheme?

Surely the pilot schemes in theory should only be paying out the equivalent to the pilot farms loss in BPS?

No clear info on that but its being sold to us as something along them lines....
ELMS might pay is between 50-75% of BPS if we are lucky
if it gets near your current HLS/CS mid tier etc i just dont know.
Cant see it tho. There should have been a straight transition into ELMS & those who follow it will get the most out of it.
Not this Farce of a sharp reduction of capital to which you will have to just take & get on with it come what may

 

[Farma Parma]

More land will be out of Annual Production to claim ELMS full amounts thats for sure.
Income will be forgone therefore.

 

[gatepost]

All I can say, is that a man who knows! and has the contacts, has taken the farm out of HLS this yr and forgone money for a yr to prepare for ELMs, and he isn't reckoning on doing much farming in the future.

 

[warksfarmer]

Just accept that half your farm will be in stewardship and half of it for food production.

If you want to make money the half cropped needs to be organic. None organic farmers have no future in U.K. food production within 10 years.

The future is groups of farmers working together. Say 4 x 500ac farmers. 1000ac of ELMS and 1000ac of organic food production. Of that 500ac of organic cropping and 500ac of organic meat production and grass.

Each farmer has an area they look after, but they are a collective. It’ll free up more time for them to enjoy life and sit back or retrain and have a sideline business.

 

[colhonk]

Does this reduction in payments mean we can reduce the 5% of weeds and crap and 2 meter rubbish around our fields in the same amount our money goes down?

 

[Tubbylew]

A Friend has looked into that for himeself & he thought oh maybes it would give his son a welcome start, alas no use
cant be for an exsisting family member.

That'll crush a few hopes and dreams then, who'd be a young farmer eh?.

 

[Farma Parma]

Just accept that half your farm will be in stewardship and half of it for food production.

If you want to make money the half cropped needs to be organic. None organic farmers have no future in U.K. food production within 10 years.

The future is groups of farmers working together. Say 4 x 500ac farmers. 1000ac of ELMS and 1000ac of organic food production. Of that 500ac of organic cropping and 500ac of organic meat production and grass.

Each farmer has an area they look after, but they are a collective. It’ll free up more time for them to enjoy life and sit back or retrain and have a sideline business.

Non Organic your kidding i hope
i buy nothing thats organic its way dearer than conventional stuff so why is the cost saving consumer going to be that much different?
In our T&T there is extra payments being structured into collaboration with your neighbours right enuff

 

[warksfarmer]

Non Organic your kidding i hope
i buy nothing thats organic its way dearer than conventional stuff so why is the cost saving consumer going to be that much different?
In our T&T there is extra payments being structured into collaboration with your neighbours right enuff

I’m not kidding no. Elms pilot .

None of us can produce a tonne of wheat, or a kg of meat at the same price as the likes of Brazil or Russia.

The designers of ELMS know this which is why the governments long term view is the U.K. being a carbon sequestration business running alongside healthy organic food production.

All the other food, full of chemicals which we all know deep down is bad news will be produced elsewhere so the British person will have two choices. British organic food or imported none organic food.

 

[topground]

All the other food, full of chemicals which we all know deep down is bad news will be produced elsewhere so the British person will have two choices. British organic food or imported none organic food.

Don’t forget the vegan agenda highly processed alternatives being pushed by multinationals in the interest of profit rather than the health of the nation.

 

[Barleymow]

So how do we get straw of we cant crop everything had to bale the lot last year should just about make it through

 

[Flat 10]

Does this reduction in payments mean we can reduce the 5% of weeds and crap and 2 meter rubbish around our fields in the same amount our money goes down?

Cross compliance has basically been abolished? So yes if i'm right

 

[Farma Parma]

I’m not kidding no. Elms pilot .

None of us can produce a tonne of wheat, or a kg of meat at the same price as the likes of Brazil or Russia.

The designers of ELMS know this which is why the governments long term view is the U.K. being a carbon sequestration business running alongside healthy organic food production.

All the other food, full of chemicals which we all know deep down is bad news will be produced elsewhere so the British person will have two choices. British organic food or imported none organic food.

They cant hold back current cheap imports of food thats been produced to god knows what utter crap standards now so how on earth are they gonna force joe public its either imported organics or home grown organics @ iam sure increased costs to the same joe public?
Thats complete insanity surely?

 

[Farma Parma]

They cant hold back current cheap imports of food thats been produced to god knows what utter crap standards now so how on earth are they gonna force joe public its either imported organics or home grown organics @ iam sure increased costs to the same joe public?
Thats complete insanity surely?

Have you seen the standard of people living in Brazil or Russia compared to pretty much all of Europe & a fair chunk of vast food producing countries all over, except south america & what ever
normal life is in the likes of Asia & beyond.

 

[warksfarmer]

Don’t forget the vegan agenda highly processed alternatives being pushed by multinationals in the interest of profit rather than the health of the nation.

Yes I was concerned about this a couple of years ago but today I think they’ve become a bit of a laughing stock to be honest. The genuine vegans/veggies have pushed them away. I don’t see an issue with them moving forward.

 

[warksfarmer]

They cant hold back current cheap imports of food thats been produced to god knows what utter crap standards now so how on earth are they gonna force joe public its either imported organics or home grown organics @ iam sure increased costs to the same joe public?
Thats complete insanity surely?

That’s not what I said.
I said home grown British organic food at a premium price OR imported NONE organic food.