And most of the Government endorsed "CHEAP" as they happily voted down an amendment to the Agriculture Bill to ensure imports were produced to standards that they will force UK Agriculture to be produced to, you just couldn't make it up could you
BPS/ELMS what am I missing?
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The simple answer will be about £40k.
The simple answer will be about £40k.
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Anselm Guise to rewild 250 acres of Elmore Court in Gloucestershire
Former DJ angers local farmers with plans to conserve grounds of 750-year-old seat
Ben Webster, Environment Editor
Saturday January 23 2021, 12.01am, The Times
Anselm Guise will “allow nature to flourish” at Elmore Court near Gloucester after a wild time in his younger years. Graham Littleton, who has a nearby farm, fears that rewilding threatens food security
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Anselm Guise, son of the baronet of Highnam, was dubbed the hedonistic heir after rejecting his father’s plan that he follow him into banking. Instead he became a DJ running psychedelic trance parties.
That worked for a while, but he settled down after inheriting his family’s crumbling 750-year-old seat, Elmore Court in Gloucestershire. Now he is breaking with tradition again with a plan to rewild 250 acres.
The 49-year-old is one of a new generation of landowners planning to “allow nature to flourish” on their estates. It has pitted him against a number of local farmers aghast at the idea of returning prime arable land to nature rather than growing crops.
Elmore Court. The plans include earning ecotourism income from six new luxury treehouses with decks overlooking the rewilding site
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Mr Guise, son of Sir James Guise, the 8th and present baronet of Highnam, admits that about 70 of the 250 acres are high-quality arable land. But he says it is the only land available on his estate for rewilding as the rest is on long-term farm tenancies.
He plans to introduce rare breeds of grazing animals, including Tamworth pigs, as well as red deer, and let them “roam free across the whole land”, harvesting some for meat.
“When you have been trained into believing and brought up that you’re going to inherit this place and be the custodian it’s quite hard to go, ‘You know what, I’m going to do something completely different to what all the other people before me have done.’
“Some of the tenant farmers are going to think, ‘What the hell are you doing?’ So it does take a bit of time [to make the change].”
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He stopped cultivating the land last year and plans “to see what nature does all on its own. It’s about going back to a much more wild environment. But it’s also very important to inspire people and show the difference . . . the abundance of insects and birds.”
The plans include earning ecotourism income from six new luxury treehouses with decks overlooking the rewilding site.
SPONSORED
He has upset some people locally by reducing space allocated to a pheasant shoot. He considers the mass release of non-native gamebirds “pretty harmful from a biodiversity perspective” and is concerned that treehouse guests would not like it. “I can’t have somebody sat on their deck having a nice cup of coffee in the morning and a pheasant that’s been shot lands there.”
A document setting out the plans has echoes of his erstwhile hedonism, including a section entitled “nakedness is next to equality” that proposes a floating sauna in a wild swimming pond. Mr Guise says critics of his scheme have an “old-fashioned” view and “have all been people of a certain age group — 75 upwards”.
Graham Littleton, 77, who owns neighbouring Bridgemacote farm, emailed Mr Guise expressing his concerns. “Some of it is high-quality land and as a farmer I have difficulty in seeing it not being used to its full potential,” he said. He was “not keen” on rewilding because he feared it could undermine the UK’s food security: “I’m old enough to remember food rationing.”
Other local farmers felt the same way, he said, but might not speak out because they were Mr Guise’s tenants.
Landowners embracing rewilding are fuelling a debate about the balance between wildlife and food security. The UK’s food self-sufficiency fell from 78 per cent in 1984 to 64 per cent in 2019.
Dominic Buscall, 28, yesterday announced plans to introduce white-tailed eagles to his family’s Ken Hill estate on the Norfolk coast where he has already released beavers in a 1,000-acre rewilding project.
The government is planning to support rewilding under the Environmental Land Management scheme (ELM) which is replacing area-based subsidies under the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy (CAP). Boris Johnson has pledged that ten landscape recovery projects will be established over four years to create “well over 30,000 football pitches of wildlife-rich habitat”.
ELM is causing a seismic shift in British farming and Mr Guise believes it will require a change in attitude. “It’s very important not to vilify farmers, no one sets out to do any harm,” he said.
But the CAP had meant it was “easy to be motivated to try and get as much as you possibly can out of land and the damage to soil and biodiversity that comes with it”.
British landowners going Dutch
Oostvaardersplassen, a 15,000-acre nature reserve east of Amsterdam on land reclaimed from a lake, is the inspiration for many British rewilding enthusiasts (Beb Webster writes).
Red deer, cattle and horses were introduced in the Eighties to stop habitat for birds from becoming overgrown. Endangered birds were attracted to the reserve. But a lack of predators and mild winters caused the animal population to boom to more than 5,000. A harsh winter in 2017-18 resulted in more than 3,000 dying.
Efforts have since been made to reduce the population by culling and relocation.
Sir Charles Burrell and his wife Isabella Tree created the UK’s most celebrated rewilding project in 2001 at the 3,500-acre Knepp Castle in West Sussex. The couple were inspired by Frans Vera, the ecologist who devised the idea at Oostvaardersplassen.
They have made the estate profitable and a haven for wildlife. Turtle doves, nightingales and peregrine falcons breed there. White stork chicks hatched last year, the first time this has happened in the wild in the UK for centuries.
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Anselm Guise, son of the baronet of Highnam, was dubbed the hedonistic heir after rejecting his father’s plan that he follow him into banking. Instead he became a DJ running psychedelic trance parties.
That worked for a while, but he settled down after inheriting his family’s crumbling 750-year-old seat, Elmore Court in Gloucestershire. Now he is breaking with tradition again with a plan to rewild 250 acres.
The 49-year-old is one of a new generation of landowners planning to “allow nature to flourish” on their estates. It has pitted him against a number of local farmers aghast at the idea of returning prime arable land to nature rather than growing crops.
Elmore Court. The plans include earning ecotourism income from six new luxury treehouses with decks overlooking the rewilding site
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Mr Guise, son of Sir James Guise, the 8th and present baronet of Highnam, admits that about 70 of the 250 acres are high-quality arable land. But he says it is the only land available on his estate for rewilding as the rest is on long-term farm tenancies.
He plans to introduce rare breeds of grazing animals, including Tamworth pigs, as well as red deer, and let them “roam free across the whole land”, harvesting some for meat.
“When you have been trained into believing and brought up that you’re going to inherit this place and be the custodian it’s quite hard to go, ‘You know what, I’m going to do something completely different to what all the other people before me have done.’
“Some of the tenant farmers are going to think, ‘What the hell are you doing?’ So it does take a bit of time [to make the change].”
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He stopped cultivating the land last year and plans “to see what nature does all on its own. It’s about going back to a much more wild environment. But it’s also very important to inspire people and show the difference . . . the abundance of insects and birds.”
The plans include earning ecotourism income from six new luxury treehouses with decks overlooking the rewilding site.
SPONSORED
He has upset some people locally by reducing space allocated to a pheasant shoot. He considers the mass release of non-native gamebirds “pretty harmful from a biodiversity perspective” and is concerned that treehouse guests would not like it. “I can’t have somebody sat on their deck having a nice cup of coffee in the morning and a pheasant that’s been shot lands there.”
A document setting out the plans has echoes of his erstwhile hedonism, including a section entitled “nakedness is next to equality” that proposes a floating sauna in a wild swimming pond. Mr Guise says critics of his scheme have an “old-fashioned” view and “have all been people of a certain age group — 75 upwards”.
Graham Littleton, 77, who owns neighbouring Bridgemacote farm, emailed Mr Guise expressing his concerns. “Some of it is high-quality land and as a farmer I have difficulty in seeing it not being used to its full potential,” he said. He was “not keen” on rewilding because he feared it could undermine the UK’s food security: “I’m old enough to remember food rationing.”
Other local farmers felt the same way, he said, but might not speak out because they were Mr Guise’s tenants.
Landowners embracing rewilding are fuelling a debate about the balance between wildlife and food security. The UK’s food self-sufficiency fell from 78 per cent in 1984 to 64 per cent in 2019.
Dominic Buscall, 28, yesterday announced plans to introduce white-tailed eagles to his family’s Ken Hill estate on the Norfolk coast where he has already released beavers in a 1,000-acre rewilding project.
The government is planning to support rewilding under the Environmental Land Management scheme (ELM) which is replacing area-based subsidies under the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy (CAP). Boris Johnson has pledged that ten landscape recovery projects will be established over four years to create “well over 30,000 football pitches of wildlife-rich habitat”.
ELM is causing a seismic shift in British farming and Mr Guise believes it will require a change in attitude. “It’s very important not to vilify farmers, no one sets out to do any harm,” he said.
But the CAP had meant it was “easy to be motivated to try and get as much as you possibly can out of land and the damage to soil and biodiversity that comes with it”.
British landowners going Dutch
Oostvaardersplassen, a 15,000-acre nature reserve east of Amsterdam on land reclaimed from a lake, is the inspiration for many British rewilding enthusiasts (Beb Webster writes).
Red deer, cattle and horses were introduced in the Eighties to stop habitat for birds from becoming overgrown. Endangered birds were attracted to the reserve. But a lack of predators and mild winters caused the animal population to boom to more than 5,000. A harsh winter in 2017-18 resulted in more than 3,000 dying.
Efforts have since been made to reduce the population by culling and relocation.
Sir Charles Burrell and his wife Isabella Tree created the UK’s most celebrated rewilding project in 2001 at the 3,500-acre Knepp Castle in West Sussex. The couple were inspired by Frans Vera, the ecologist who devised the idea at Oostvaardersplassen.
They have made the estate profitable and a haven for wildlife. Turtle doves, nightingales and peregrine falcons breed there. White stork chicks hatched last year, the first time this has happened in the wild in the UK for centuries.
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Anselm Guise to rewild 250 acres of Elmore Court in Gloucestershire
Former DJ angers local farmers with plans to conserve grounds of 750-year-old seat
Ben Webster, Environment Editor
Saturday January 23 2021, 12.01am, The Times
Anselm Guise will “allow nature to flourish” at Elmore Court near Gloucester after a wild time in his younger years. Graham Littleton, who has a nearby farm, fears that rewilding threatens food security
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Anselm Guise, son of the baronet of Highnam, was dubbed the hedonistic heir after rejecting his father’s plan that he follow him into banking. Instead he became a DJ running psychedelic trance parties.
That worked for a while, but he settled down after inheriting his family’s crumbling 750-year-old seat, Elmore Court in Gloucestershire. Now he is breaking with tradition again with a plan to rewild 250 acres.
The 49-year-old is one of a new generation of landowners planning to “allow nature to flourish” on their estates. It has pitted him against a number of local farmers aghast at the idea of returning prime arable land to nature rather than growing crops.
Elmore Court. The plans include earning ecotourism income from six new luxury treehouses with decks overlooking the rewilding site
ALAMY
Mr Guise, son of Sir James Guise, the 8th and present baronet of Highnam, admits that about 70 of the 250 acres are high-quality arable land. But he says it is the only land available on his estate for rewilding as the rest is on long-term farm tenancies.
He plans to introduce rare breeds of grazing animals, including Tamworth pigs, as well as red deer, and let them “roam free across the whole land”, harvesting some for meat.
“When you have been trained into believing and brought up that you’re going to inherit this place and be the custodian it’s quite hard to go, ‘You know what, I’m going to do something completely different to what all the other people before me have done.’
“Some of the tenant farmers are going to think, ‘What the hell are you doing?’ So it does take a bit of time [to make the change].”
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He stopped cultivating the land last year and plans “to see what nature does all on its own. It’s about going back to a much more wild environment. But it’s also very important to inspire people and show the difference . . . the abundance of insects and birds.”
The plans include earning ecotourism income from six new luxury treehouses with decks overlooking the rewilding site.
SPONSORED
He has upset some people locally by reducing space allocated to a pheasant shoot. He considers the mass release of non-native gamebirds “pretty harmful from a biodiversity perspective” and is concerned that treehouse guests would not like it. “I can’t have somebody sat on their deck having a nice cup of coffee in the morning and a pheasant that’s been shot lands there.”
A document setting out the plans has echoes of his erstwhile hedonism, including a section entitled “nakedness is next to equality” that proposes a floating sauna in a wild swimming pond. Mr Guise says critics of his scheme have an “old-fashioned” view and “have all been people of a certain age group — 75 upwards”.
Graham Littleton, 77, who owns neighbouring Bridgemacote farm, emailed Mr Guise expressing his concerns. “Some of it is high-quality land and as a farmer I have difficulty in seeing it not being used to its full potential,” he said. He was “not keen” on rewilding because he feared it could undermine the UK’s food security: “I’m old enough to remember food rationing.”
Other local farmers felt the same way, he said, but might not speak out because they were Mr Guise’s tenants.
Landowners embracing rewilding are fuelling a debate about the balance between wildlife and food security. The UK’s food self-sufficiency fell from 78 per cent in 1984 to 64 per cent in 2019.
Dominic Buscall, 28, yesterday announced plans to introduce white-tailed eagles to his family’s Ken Hill estate on the Norfolk coast where he has already released beavers in a 1,000-acre rewilding project.
The government is planning to support rewilding under the Environmental Land Management scheme (ELM) which is replacing area-based subsidies under the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy (CAP). Boris Johnson has pledged that ten landscape recovery projects will be established over four years to create “well over 30,000 football pitches of wildlife-rich habitat”.
ELM is causing a seismic shift in British farming and Mr Guise believes it will require a change in attitude. “It’s very important not to vilify farmers, no one sets out to do any harm,” he said.
But the CAP had meant it was “easy to be motivated to try and get as much as you possibly can out of land and the damage to soil and biodiversity that comes with it”.
British landowners going Dutch
Oostvaardersplassen, a 15,000-acre nature reserve east of Amsterdam on land reclaimed from a lake, is the inspiration for many British rewilding enthusiasts (Beb Webster writes).
Red deer, cattle and horses were introduced in the Eighties to stop habitat for birds from becoming overgrown. Endangered birds were attracted to the reserve. But a lack of predators and mild winters caused the animal population to boom to more than 5,000. A harsh winter in 2017-18 resulted in more than 3,000 dying.
Efforts have since been made to reduce the population by culling and relocation.
Sir Charles Burrell and his wife Isabella Tree created the UK’s most celebrated rewilding project in 2001 at the 3,500-acre Knepp Castle in West Sussex. The couple were inspired by Frans Vera, the ecologist who devised the idea at Oostvaardersplassen.
They have made the estate profitable and a haven for wildlife. Turtle doves, nightingales and peregrine falcons breed there. White stork chicks hatched last year, the first time this has happened in the wild in the UK for centuries.
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Not far from me at all.
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In a few years he'll be pleading for local farmers to come round and help sort out the impenetrable mass of thistles, nettles and brambles that have swamped the place. Love to see how many customers will want to stay in the luxury tree houses surrounded by a forest of prickly bushes and ragwort as far as the eye can seeNot far from me at all.
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There's many of the sock and sandal brigade appear clueless about what the result of rewilding will be. They imagine flowery meadows and fruit trees when the reality will be weeds and brambles. Then what?
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Yes they definitely have a romanticised view of things, and as usual will end up being completely contradictory to what they initially demanded.
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I not quite sure of the question?
Regen.ag without fert. etc would improve the soils and tie up more CO2e than organic, but without an organic premium it would not pay?
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How long before we get Red Tractor assured rewilding...?
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Anselm Guise to rewild 250 acres of Elmore Court in Gloucestershire
Former DJ angers local farmers with plans to conserve grounds of 750-year-old seat
Ben Webster, Environment Editor
Saturday January 23 2021, 12.01am, The Times
Anselm Guise will “allow nature to flourish” at Elmore Court near Gloucester after a wild time in his younger years. Graham Littleton, who has a nearby farm, fears that rewilding threatens food security
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Anselm Guise, son of the baronet of Highnam, was dubbed the hedonistic heir after rejecting his father’s plan that he follow him into banking. Instead he became a DJ running psychedelic trance parties.
That worked for a while, but he settled down after inheriting his family’s crumbling 750-year-old seat, Elmore Court in Gloucestershire. Now he is breaking with tradition again with a plan to rewild 250 acres.
The 49-year-old is one of a new generation of landowners planning to “allow nature to flourish” on their estates. It has pitted him against a number of local farmers aghast at the idea of returning prime arable land to nature rather than growing crops.
Elmore Court. The plans include earning ecotourism income from six new luxury treehouses with decks overlooking the rewilding site
ALAMY
Mr Guise, son of Sir James Guise, the 8th and present baronet of Highnam, admits that about 70 of the 250 acres are high-quality arable land. But he says it is the only land available on his estate for rewilding as the rest is on long-term farm tenancies.
He plans to introduce rare breeds of grazing animals, including Tamworth pigs, as well as red deer, and let them “roam free across the whole land”, harvesting some for meat.
“When you have been trained into believing and brought up that you’re going to inherit this place and be the custodian it’s quite hard to go, ‘You know what, I’m going to do something completely different to what all the other people before me have done.’
“Some of the tenant farmers are going to think, ‘What the hell are you doing?’ So it does take a bit of time [to make the change].”
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He stopped cultivating the land last year and plans “to see what nature does all on its own. It’s about going back to a much more wild environment. But it’s also very important to inspire people and show the difference . . . the abundance of insects and birds.”
The plans include earning ecotourism income from six new luxury treehouses with decks overlooking the rewilding site.
SPONSORED
He has upset some people locally by reducing space allocated to a pheasant shoot. He considers the mass release of non-native gamebirds “pretty harmful from a biodiversity perspective” and is concerned that treehouse guests would not like it. “I can’t have somebody sat on their deck having a nice cup of coffee in the morning and a pheasant that’s been shot lands there.”
A document setting out the plans has echoes of his erstwhile hedonism, including a section entitled “nakedness is next to equality” that proposes a floating sauna in a wild swimming pond. Mr Guise says critics of his scheme have an “old-fashioned” view and “have all been people of a certain age group — 75 upwards”.
Graham Littleton, 77, who owns neighbouring Bridgemacote farm, emailed Mr Guise expressing his concerns. “Some of it is high-quality land and as a farmer I have difficulty in seeing it not being used to its full potential,” he said. He was “not keen” on rewilding because he feared it could undermine the UK’s food security: “I’m old enough to remember food rationing.”
Other local farmers felt the same way, he said, but might not speak out because they were Mr Guise’s tenants.
Landowners embracing rewilding are fuelling a debate about the balance between wildlife and food security. The UK’s food self-sufficiency fell from 78 per cent in 1984 to 64 per cent in 2019.
Dominic Buscall, 28, yesterday announced plans to introduce white-tailed eagles to his family’s Ken Hill estate on the Norfolk coast where he has already released beavers in a 1,000-acre rewilding project.
The government is planning to support rewilding under the Environmental Land Management scheme (ELM) which is replacing area-based subsidies under the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy (CAP). Boris Johnson has pledged that ten landscape recovery projects will be established over four years to create “well over 30,000 football pitches of wildlife-rich habitat”.
ELM is causing a seismic shift in British farming and Mr Guise believes it will require a change in attitude. “It’s very important not to vilify farmers, no one sets out to do any harm,” he said.
But the CAP had meant it was “easy to be motivated to try and get as much as you possibly can out of land and the damage to soil and biodiversity that comes with it”.
British landowners going Dutch
Oostvaardersplassen, a 15,000-acre nature reserve east of Amsterdam on land reclaimed from a lake, is the inspiration for many British rewilding enthusiasts (Beb Webster writes).
Red deer, cattle and horses were introduced in the Eighties to stop habitat for birds from becoming overgrown. Endangered birds were attracted to the reserve. But a lack of predators and mild winters caused the animal population to boom to more than 5,000. A harsh winter in 2017-18 resulted in more than 3,000 dying.
Efforts have since been made to reduce the population by culling and relocation.
Sir Charles Burrell and his wife Isabella Tree created the UK’s most celebrated rewilding project in 2001 at the 3,500-acre Knepp Castle in West Sussex. The couple were inspired by Frans Vera, the ecologist who devised the idea at Oostvaardersplassen.
They have made the estate profitable and a haven for wildlife. Turtle doves, nightingales and peregrine falcons breed there. White stork chicks hatched last year, the first time this has happened in the wild in the UK for centuries.
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Why shouldn’t he be able to do what he likes with his own land, as long as it doesn’t affect his neighbours’ property and businesses of course?
Farmers complaining it’s not being farmed properly is just nonsense, and none of their business.
The AHA tenants will want to watch their backs though, or his agents be trying to wriggle a way to get them out too.
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Neilo - I posted the article as I thought not everyone takes or reads The Times. This is a main news story in an influential newspaper. So I thought it might be an appropriate contribution to the thread.
Insofar as your comments - well, yes. I was not making any comment - purposefully as my initial posting was truly as information not position.
As an aside the comments in Times on Line under the article are broadly supportive of such projects and very much in support of wildlife, insects and bees. And provide an interesting commentary on the readership of the newspaper.
May also indicate a directional route for some of the ELMS cash. Such a direction might dilute the amount available for more 'conventional' agriculture - producing commodities such as wheat and carrots (and lamb) that folk eat.
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Fair enough, but he must stop pretending that he is running a business and accept that this is a hobby....
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At least the rest is in secure AHA tenancies so he cant ruin that lot too... 
One to sow it , one to grow it ,and one to blow it , may be the cycle has come around again
One to sow it , one to grow it ,and one to blow it , may be the cycle has come around again
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He is building tree houses for holiday let’s in amongst the brambles & scrub. It could well make a more viable business than ‘farming’ 250ac of predominantly parkland?
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The place was on TV a while ago.....
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It'll probably be "viable" if he has no mortgage, rent, or shareholders to pay, otherwise it is a hobby as would be "250ac of predominantly parkland".
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But imagine the performance when someone's precious kids are ripped to shreds after retrieving the ball they kicked in the brambles. Or the swarm of rats feasting on the humous crumbs falling from the treehouse. The bedwetters will be furious and it'll all go to sh!t.
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This is where I first seen about what he was doing
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This is where I first seen about what he was doing
Just skimmed through that video - What a difference a good woman can make !
I hope he doesn't p*ss her off............