- Location
- Northumberlandia
oh sorry i misread you then
its some sham the whole carry on then
BPS/ELMS what am I missing?
- Thread starter Chris W
- Start date
its some sham the whole carry on then
midlandslad
Member
- Location
- Midlands
Have you made the move to organic then?
- Location
- Northumberland
I think the opposite is true. Cross compliance stays for remainder of BPS, as the recompense for complying reduces, then neatly slides over to the statute book so will apply whether you sign up for ELMs or not. The recent document as good as says this.
warksfarmer
Member
It’s currently being investigated and we are in coms with the organic association, but we will be looking to work with an established organic livestock farmer rather than doing that in house.
I was obviously getting confused with the 3 crop rule etc
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
warksfarmer
Member
Isn’t it just great that we’ve taken back control?
Absolutely yes because I agree with the future of U.K. ag. Brexit is the best thing to happen to this country since we won WW2.
- Location
- S.E
How on gods green earth is organic farming better for the environment than conventional farming!? In terms of carbon capture and trying to reach net zero its exactly the opposite to what is needed. Cultivating land numerous times to control weeds/pests etc releasing carbon every time you do is completely contradictory to what the government is trying to achieveI’m not kidding no. Elms pilot.
None of us can produce a tonne of wheat, or a kg of meat at the same price as the likes of Brazil or Russia.
The designers of ELMS know this which is why the governments long term view is the U.K. being a carbon sequestration business running alongside healthy organic food production.
All the other food, full of chemicals which we all know deep down is bad news will be produced elsewhere so the British person will have two choices. British organic food or imported none organic food.
Not to mention the massive increase in soil erosion this will cause!I do agree that we will be 30-50% stewardship though.
warksfarmer
Member
How on gods green earth is organic farming better for the environment than conventional farming!? In terms of carbon capture and trying to reach net zero its exactly the opposite to what is needed. Cultivating land numerous times to control weeds/pests etc releasing carbon every time you do is completely contradictory to what the government is trying to achieve
I do agree that we will be 30-50% stewardship though.
Totally agree with you but that’s what’s coming to us all.
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
It'll just transfer into a legal requirement in many cases.
i really don't get where you are coming from with this. its perfectly possible, providing you are on reasonable potential soil to continue growing profitable crops without bps and not needing to go organic.
I’m not kidding no. Elms pilot
None of us can produce a tonne of wheat, or a kg of meat at the same price as the likes of Brazil or Russia.
The designers of ELMS know this which is why the governments long term view is the U.K. being a carbon sequestration business running alongside healthy organic food production.
All the other food, full of chemicals which we all know deep down is bad news will be produced elsewhere so the British person will have two choices. British organic food or imported none organic food.
proper ELMS pilots haven't started yet ? just the testing phase
It's rubbish - I have seen a lot of the proposals in some detail now and its certainly NOT about going organic
The option is there of course .......... as it always has been
- Location
- Northumberlandia
from a Farming Tenants view i disagree with that
but from a Farm Owners view i agree.
i am a tenant too on fbt's, most of our land is owned by others. i am under no illusion that if the rents dont come down it wont be profitable to continue. lets hope land owners and agents can see the bigger picture.
- Location
- Northumberlandia
AHA here lesser Rent id expect but non the less there going to have to give a bit unless inputs give? if they dont we will just buy less
we wont have any choice to try n keep going.
Iam convinced 25% of my current arable wont be Arable as such in 5years time but be 12months rotational green cover of some sort
& how that is going to feed the world ive no idea,
can i keep my cropping running how iam used too i just dont know neither.
Ones behind the T&T ELMS scheme pilot pushing for this & it doesnt sit well with me atm
Atleast anything is better than Fallow/Set a side thats one thing i suppose
Think your right Clive. Sustainable intensification in some cases. Think folks are confusing IPM and other "non-off the shelf" practises as organic.
I don't like the words regenerative farming as it's just another label that is going to be loaded onto the bandwagon.
Think farming is just evolving as it always has....... remember Turnip Townsend was a pioneer once upon a time.
spot on
- Location
- Darlington
But why are we allowing some farmer hating cluless civil servants to destroy the ONLY proffesion that the whole world needs.
- Location
- Northumberlandia
i genuinely think uk produced food has basically got little value to our whole gov & that inc all parties
folks can say what they like about Mr Trump but he was trying to help his own country produce things too keep folks employed on the home land.
and block the likes of dare i mention them CHINA end of.
If the Free world did the same what would things be like? who knows
Its ok for us all to buy things that on the surface appear to be cheap, but its at a cost somewhere.