Brexit is destroying Britain

[Ashtree]

Watch: John Major predicts what will happen to the NHS in the hands of Brexiteers | "The concept that the people running the Brexit campaign would care for the National Health Service is a rather odd one. I seem to remember Michael Gove... | By The L

"The concept that the people running the Brexit campaign would care for the National Health Service is a rather odd one. I seem to remember Michael Gove...

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[its yourself]

Ben is always very good. Woth a watch if you have time.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1610566237582401536

 

[essex man]

Watch: John Major predicts what will happen to the NHS in the hands of Brexiteers | "The concept that the people running the Brexit campaign would care for the National Health Service is a rather odd one. I seem to remember Michael Gove... | By The L

"The concept that the people running the Brexit campaign would care for the National Health Service is a rather odd one. I seem to remember Michael Gove...

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Funny that he equates caring for the NHS as keeping it exactly the same but just throwing money at a broken institution.
Caring about public health and caring about the holy NHS are two different things.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

Funny that he equates caring for the NHS as keeping it exactly the same but just throwing money at a broken institution.
Caring about public health and caring about the holy NHS are two different things.

Any fool can spend money, it takes a wise man to spend it wisely. NHS is currently a perfect illustration of this. Funding has gone up by £21 billion since 2018/2019

 

[Hindsight]

Any fool can spend money, it takes a wise man to spend it wisely. NHS is currently a perfect illustration of this. Funding has gone up by £21 billion since 2018/2019

Yes, but for that £21bn uplift in 3 years partly absorbed to pay for inflationary increases in costs - pay, supplies etc, how much is truly additional. No axe to grind on this question AP. Just making a comment about a figure to place context around that amount of £21bn which is a very large number. Cheers.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

Yes, but for that £21bn uplift in 3 years partly absorbed to pay for inflationary increases in costs - pay, supplies etc, how much is truly additional. No axe to grind on this question AP. Just making a comment about a figure to place context around that amount of £21bn which is a very large number. Cheers.

According to the source of those figs, they are in real terms.https://www.statista.com/statistics/632289/nhs-england-health-spending-in-real-terms/

 

[Ashtree]

Meanwhile, the world leading, oven ready Brexit trade deal, which of course consigned Global Britain to “third country” status on paper, seems to have gone further in reality, making it “third world” status.
Close your eyes for a moment, and picture charity organisations, distributing relief to truck drivers and general travellers, stuck in intolerable conditions at Global Britain’s borders. OMG!!!…

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-dover-queues-disaster-charity-b2255712.html

 

[Hindsight]

According to the source of those figs, they are in real terms.https://www.statista.com/statistics/632289/nhs-england-health-spending-in-real-terms/

Thank you.

 

[essex man]

Any fool can spend money, it takes a wise man to spend it wisely. NHS is currently a perfect illustration of this. Funding has gone up by £21 billion since 2018/2019

Any fool can spend money, it takes a wise man to spend it wisely. NHS is currently a perfect illustration of this. Funding has gone up by £21 billion since 2018/2019

Exactly and you could put another 50 billion on top and still make no difference, the money doesn't go to improve services or outcomes.
It goes to those who prey on the idiocy/veneration, sacred cow status of the institution to extract their end.
Why would the BMA ever vote to reduce doctor numbers, other than to preserve their market position?

 

[caveman]

Meanwhile, the world leading, oven ready Brexit trade deal, which of course consigned Global Britain to “third country” status on paper, seems to have gone further in reality, making it “third world” status.
Close your eyes for a moment, and picture charity organisations, distributing relief to truck drivers and general travellers, stuck in intolerable conditions at Global Britain’s borders. OMG!!!…

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-dover-queues-disaster-charity-b2255712.html

Are you Elvis Presley?...
"I'm ever so lonely baby. I'm ever so lonely baby. I'm everso lonely, I could die".

 

[Muck Spreader]

When will people wake up to the fact that it is not “Brexit that’s destroying Britain“ it’s the pathetic pompous amateurs we keep electing to spend our money, until we elect politicians with ability it’s we that are destroying Britain & can blame no one else for the demise of this once great country!

Who are you thinking about, your man in the Kremlin?

 

[le bon paysan]

Meanwhile, the world leading, oven ready Brexit trade deal, which of course consigned Global Britain to “third country” status on paper, seems to have gone further in reality, making it “third world” status.
Close your eyes for a moment, and picture charity organisations, distributing relief to truck drivers and general travellers, stuck in intolerable conditions at Global Britain’s borders. OMG!!!…

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-dover-queues-disaster-charity-b2255712.html

Won't see this on the main news. What a shambles.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1610268932501299200

 

[le bon paysan]

WTAF

Disaster response charity enlisted to aid drivers stuck in UK queues for Channel

Exclusive: military veterans’ group RE:ACT gets £200,000 yearly contract to ensure welfare of lorry drivers gridlocked in Kent

www.theguardian.com

 

[Ncap]

Are you Elvis Presley?...
"I'm ever so lonely baby. I'm ever so lonely baby. I'm everso lonely, I could die".

At least get the lyrics right!

 

[gone]

Ben is always very good. Woth a watch if you have time.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1610566237582401536

An interesting listen

Another sign of this stagnation

Manufacturing slumps to lowest level in 31 months

Weak exports, job losses and signs that trade with Britain is still being “shunned” after Brexit meant that the manufacturing industry ended 2022 with it

www.thetimes.co.uk

The Brexit Bonus is really boosting Ireland's economy.

 

[caveman]

At least get the lyrics right!

GFY

 

[Ncap]

GFY

Don't remember that line. Was it an early recording?

 

[Old McDonald]

Well you didn't read what I wrote.

Why should an unregistered tourist get to take out library books or use a specific facility that he's paid no tax toward?
In my Commune you can't use the 2 local Dechetterie unless you have a card from the Mairie. This isn't discrimination , it's available to those who pay taxe foncier in the commune.
If you were legally resident in your little town , then you would be able to use the pool, your taxes would be paying for it.
WD said he was refused access when he worked there. So he was either on a contract with a UK company paying his tax in the uk or in a situation where he was not a resident and not paying tax.

The link I provided shows you have to be a legal resident in Belgium to access services.
Also the 4 freedoms are Goods , Capital, Services and Labour.

I normally stay out of this thread because of such responses to posts not addressed to the responder.

I did read what you wrote, e.g. your agreement (#4780) with its yourself that what happened to WD AFTER he had been paying tax in a country for 5 years meant he could not have been in the EU. You missed that too. He was a tax payer. You then agree with iy’s post #4813 that he will treat the claim of needing a permit to use a swimming pool with contempt. Yet the pair of you agree with @stewart (#4853) that countries and locals can make their own rules and regulations. Agreeing with that statement does not concur with the earlier stance you both took that needing such a permit is not possible in the EU.

As normal though with several of you, you get an idea and there is a tendency to go off about all sorts of matters not related to what another poster has written and make claims about their post that they had not made. Take my recent exchange with Mek as an example. I can find others. You also have a group who seem to automatically agree with anything another in the group posts. I already drew attention to this in an earlier post.

I never suggested that any tourist should be able to go to the library and take out books. Nor that they should be able to use any other facility.

I gave the facts as they related to someone living in Portugal, but not of Portuguese nationality, and close enough to that particular swimming pool (and library) that they might want to use it. Forget about WD, and I do not know about Belgium in general or any other pools in Portugal because I looked up the regulations only for this particular one.

Had I wanted to use it the situation of proving my right to access would have been the same as I told him he would have to meet. I would have needed a Residence Permit and this is despite the fact my wife and I owned a house and land in the general area and we paid all due taxes. The double taxation agreement reduced my liability to income tax in Portugal, the same as it reduced the liability in the UK for Portuguese nationals living in the UK - and there are a lot of them. The same need would have applied had I wanted to use the library. It did apply when I needed a driving licence. I have already posted that obtaining a Residence Permit is not as onerous as some other countries, but for true FoM it should not be necessary. You know from my posts my wife was initially refused hers.

You are one of the ones that denied the restrictions WD posted about could happen anywhere in the EU. Had we not eventually obtained a Residency Permit for my wife she would not have been able to drive or use any of the public facilities with these restrictions had she wished to do so. I never followed it through, but the question arises – what if she could not obtain a Residence Permit? Would she have to leave the country? Does/did that happen in other EU countries?

 

[le bon paysan]

I normally stay out of this thread because of such responses to posts not addressed to the responder.

I did read what you wrote, e.g. your agreement (#4780) with its yourself that what happened to WD AFTER he had been paying tax in a country for 5 years meant he could not have been in the EU. You missed that too. He was a tax payer. You then agree with iy’s post #4813 that he will treat the claim of needing a permit to use a swimming pool with contempt. Yet the pair of you agree with @stewart (#4853) that countries and locals can make their own rules and regulations. Agreeing with that statement does not concur with the earlier stance you both took that needing such a permit is not possible in the EU.

As normal though with several of you, you get an idea and there is a tendency to go off about all sorts of matters not related to what another poster has written and make claims about their post that they had not made. Take my recent exchange with Mek as an example. I can find others. You also have a group who seem to automatically agree with anything another in the group posts. I already drew attention to this in an earlier post.

I never suggested that any tourist should be able to go to the library and take out books. Nor that they should be able to use any other facility.

I gave the facts as they related to someone living in Portugal, but not of Portuguese nationality, and close enough to that particular swimming pool (and library) that they might want to use it. Forget about WD, and I do not know about Belgium in general or any other pools in Portugal because I looked up the regulations only for this particular one.

Had I wanted to use it the situation of proving my right to access would have been the same as I told him he would have to meet. I would have needed a Residence Permit and this is despite the fact my wife and I owned a house and land in the general area and we paid all due taxes. The double taxation agreement reduced my liability to income tax in Portugal, the same as it reduced the liability in the UK for Portuguese nationals living in the UK - and there are a lot of them. The same need would have applied had I wanted to use the library. It did apply when I needed a driving licence. I have already posted that obtaining a Residence Permit is not as onerous as some other countries, but for true FoM it should not be necessary. You know from my posts my wife was initially refused hers.

You are one of the ones that denied the restrictions WD posted about could happen anywhere in the EU. Had we not eventually obtained a Residency Permit for my wife she would not have been able to drive or use any of the public facilities with these restrictions had she wished to do so. I never followed it through, but the question arises – what if she could not obtain a Residence Permit? Would she have to leave the country? Does/did that happen in other EU countries?

I replied in the context that WD said he'd been discriminated against and there was no freedom of movement.
I took it as he'd misinterpreted the situation.
As I explained, my girls would not face any restrictions, leaving aside small local necessaries, but I would.
Your wife was not deported though.
Now , if you had a residence card in France under the Withdrawal Agreement, your wife would be granted one. under the Family Reunification part of the WA and would receive a card.
A friend's mother has recently joined them under the FR part of the WA.

To move here now from a Third country you would be assessed as a couple. If you meet the requirements you'd both get a card or both be refused.

 

[le bon paysan]

These are an overview of moving to Spain now. Basic State pensioners need not bother.

The New Rules For Brits Moving To Spain - Expat Network

Any Brits moving to Spain now that we are no longer in the EU have different options to obtain a visa with higher income requirements.

expatnetwork.com