British friesian bulls

[More to life]

Who know where it will end. My main gripe is with the testing system. I just can't see how Bulls tested in predominantly one system can be relevant to another.

Pli is a solely U.K. Index it ranks the bulls in a very different order. Look at sci for grazing,jerseys and British friesians is where it's at IMO

 

[Clay52]

The genetic progress of the holstein breed in the last 20 years and meant less profit.
Lower lactation numbers.
Greater disease.
More DAs
Less fertility

Just so far off the mark isn't not funny. The last 10 years have seen massive improvements in the Holstein breed heath traits.

 

[Sid]

Wow.

You still use a 3 legged stool and a bucket? Oil lamps?

Nope just using bulls that have been tested. And proven. Genomics is best guess. Never have bred from a heifer on this farm and yet will double the cow numbers in 2-3 years by putting all the cows onto normal semen.

Just so far off the mark isn't not funny. The last 10 years have seen massive improvements in the Holstein breed heath traits.

Its had to or they would have died out. Breeding from heifers and cows using sexed semen,imports and yet the national herd has shrunk over the last 10 years!
Why all these campaigns to eradicate disease, johnes,bvd?
You may be better than average but average is still a long way down

 

[Stinker]

Pli is a solely U.K. Index it ranks the bulls in a very different order. Look at sci for grazing,jerseys and British friesians is where it's at IMO

But most of the daughters of top Proven holstein bulls On the sci indrx have never seen a blade of grass in thrir lives. its just a dodgy conversion from pli. Irish and NZ bulls barely get a look in on sci and i find it hard to believe they are that bad

 

[More to life]

But most of the daughters of top Proven holstein bulls On the sci indrx have never seen a blade of grass in thrir lives. its just a dodgy conversion from pli. Irish and NZ bulls barely get a look in on sci and i find it hard to believe they are that bad

Use ebi then if it fits your goals everyone is different

 

[westwards]

EBI and SCI are not yet fully proven indexes, use with extreme caution !!

 

[BM2016]

EBI and SCI are not yet fully proven indexes, use with extreme caution !!

A Friend out in Ireland has been using the EBI since its release and he said its breeding something on the line of milking rabbits without the will to milk! he was looking for some proper British Friesian to get some power back and hopefully milk!

 

[buffalo_soldier]

That's a valid choice, I'm to early into genomics to stand my ground but I'm convinced that herd progress will be much greater.Proven bulls still breed duds,as for individual traits I've almost given up trying genomics isn't much fun to breed with.

If you are familiar with bell curve graphs, it's a good way to look at the differences.

 

[Holsteinfriesian90]

Just looked up top Holstein bull for fertility is Jabir at 21.9!!

 

[Rossymons]

Just looked up top Holstein bull for fertility is Jabir at 21.9!!

Got a few of those!

 

[Clay52]

Nope just using bulls that have been tested. And proven. Genomics is best guess. Never have bred from a heifer on this farm and yet will double the cow numbers in 2-3 years by putting all the cows onto normal semen.


Its had to or they would have died out. Breeding from heifers and cows using sexed semen,imports and yet the national herd has shrunk over the last 10 years!
Why all these campaigns to eradicate disease, johnes,bvd?
You may be better than average but average is still a long way down

Your comment was just totally wrong. The Holstein breed has had huge improvements in health traits in the last 20 years. With all of it coming in the last 10. It was just wrong. There is no defending it.

 

[Holsteinfriesian90]

Got a few of those!

Yep so have we and calving some to him at the moment.

 

[Rossymons]

Yep so have we and calving some to him at the moment.

Ours are bulling now and bred to sexed Chad

 

[kp_n_plghng]

Theres actually three Holsteins ranked higher than Jabir that are - USTAN (23.2), ALTAARMANI (23.7) & ALTA ENDURO (23.8). Armanis the only one I remember being available though...........

 

[kp_n_plghng]

The most fertile Friesian I can find is Bidlea Tredene converted to Holstein I think his fertility index would be 29.7. Just shows there is still room for lots of improvement. I do hope we start seeing more Holsteins over the 20 mark soon....

 

[RPB]

EBI and SCI are not yet fully proven indexes, use with extreme caution !!

EBI is 16 years old

 

[cowgirl95]

Just done a bit of research and it turns out Sharcome Beta Chads great great grand sire was twin to a bull too maybe it does transmit down the male line of pedigrees !

 

[Durry cows]

Just done a bit of research and it turns out Sharcome Beta Chads great great grand sire was twin to a bull too maybe it does transmit down the male line of pedigrees !

Done some digging!

 

[coomoo]

Well I do rate the lad. Can't wait to see some calves anybody indulge me with some milking chads

 

[cowgirl95]

Would love to see any pics of milking Chads too