Buyer beware

[Agri–Mechanics]

These are a few shots of a head gasket job we did yesterday on a case. I had the head skimmed, new valve seats fitted and during the final stage of installing the head we noticed the oil feed pipe to the turbo had been welded shut.. I had a word with the owner who had told us they bought the tractor a few weeks earlier, it ran well but when it arrived on the lorry it smoked badly and had massive amounts of back pressure through the breather. It looks as though the previous owner had blown the turbo welded up the oil feed to stop the oil blowing out when people viewed it. He then told me he'd just put a new turbo on but the fitter had failed to notice the oil feed pipe it had been ran for an hour and as I thought, once we started it up with an oil supply to the turbo it three all the oil out of the exhaust. A new turbo ruined. It would of honestly been easier for the last owner to fit a new turbo than to mess around welding the pioe up and grinding the face flush. Never know what your buying I guess

 

[nosmokenopoke]

I’d drive the tractor through his house

 

[Dave W]

Private or pretend dealer?

 

[Agri–Mechanics]

Think it was a private sale Dave

 

[Dry Rot]

I realise the OP is not the purchaser but the repairer. I have always tried to buy by cheque with a covering letter stating, "I am relying on your assurance that this machine is in good working order, fair wear and tear excepted". I don't know how much weight that carries these days but I have used it a few times to get faults put right (one with a name that might be Quite Familiar to you).

This site seems to support the theory that it is not such a bad idea.

Caveat emptor | Conveyancing solicitors | Contact Law

Caveat emptor is a part of English law which relates to purchasing goods. It is especially important in property purchase, so ensure you understand it. We can help you.

www.contactlaw.co.uk

 

[Exfarmer]

I realise the OP is not the purchaser but the repairer. I have always tried to buy by cheque with a covering letter stating, "I am relying on your assurance that this machine is in good working order, fair wear and tear excepted". I don't know how much weight that carries these days but I have used it a few times to get faults put right (one with a name that might be Quite Familiar to you).

This site seems to support the theory that it is not such a bad idea.

Caveat emptor | Conveyancing solicitors | Contact Law

Caveat emptor is a part of English law which relates to purchasing goods. It is especially important in property purchase, so ensure you understand it. We can help you.

www.contactlaw.co.uk

I appreciate where you are coming from @Dry Rot , but that is English law, not sure it applies in your part of the world

 

[7610 super q]

Probably worth giving the rest of the tractor a good looking over too.

 

[Dry Rot]

I appreciate where you are coming from @Dry Rot , but that is English law, not sure it applies in your part of the world

Well, I always use it and so far, so good! Just don't you go telling people!

 

[Bloders]

To be honest, i was expecing the outcome to be that Quite Frankly, (this) Tractor, had been purchased from an irreputable dealer.
This is clearly a case of misrepresentation. Surely there is a level of comeback here.. If not, id be Quite frustrated (that the) tractor is not as described? You cannot have a tractor for long without realising the fault identified?

 

[kiwi pom]

Not surprised at all.
On a slightly less serious scale, I see lots of problems ahead for those buying second hand tractors from farmers or dealers where the first owner has had the tractor mapped/chipped/deleted and not told anyone about it.

 

[Dry Rot]

Is there any obligation to disclose defects? I don't think so. On the other hand, I am pretty sure there is if asked.

A different matter if it is a private buyer buying from a business when consumer law applies. Business to business and the buyer is presumed to know what he is doing.

 

[Brisel]

I thought at two letter dealer had been shut down recently?

 

[dieselboost]

I am at a loss as to how it could have run well if the turbo was kaput initially? Assume the compressor turbine was seized on the bearing shells also due to the lack of oil? Surely the purchaser would have noticed something really off with the fact that he could not hear the turbo spooling up on initial viewing and the fueling being excessive with no turbo operational ? Have you checked the oil pressure in the negine? Oil feed may have been welded shut to save the whole engine seizing due to poor pressure, maybe due to a worn oil pump, internal leaks, pressure bypass issues etc...

 

[dieselboost]

Not surprised at all.
On a slightly less serious scale, I see lots of problems ahead for those buying second hand tractors from farmers or dealers where the first owner has had the tractor mapped/chipped/deleted and not told anyone about it.

This is the big fear I have with all modern machinery. No way of knowing what has been altered in the digital control and set up. Not to my knowledge anyway. Bar you test on a dynamometer as looking at a cloud of black smoke out the exhaust pipe is no longer possible on modern machines. Are the main dealers able to tell easily when they plug in their diagnostic software if a tractor has been mapped up/or troublesome components mapped out? Is this why you would sometimes see very fresh looking 1-3 year old tractors in trade dealers yards, when you would imagine the main dealer would easily find a home for fresh gear but knows from their dealer level software that the tractor or machine has been fiddled with?

 

[Courier]

I thought at two letter dealer had been shut down recently?

And Phoenixed I believe...As East Yorkshire Machinery Ltd ... CRO Number: 08238692 ..And Phoenixed again as ?? Maybe 08250995

 

[Brisel]

Used tractor salesman banned after misleading customers

Boss of second-hand tractor business based in East Riding of Yorkshire banned for six years after breaching agreements to stop publishing misleading adverts.

www.gov.uk

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[Dave W]

The op said it was a private sale.
god forbid it was a farmer being economic with the truth!

 

[Farmer_Joe]

The op said it was a private sale.
god forbid it was a farmer being economic with the truth!

Hence the problem qf were only selling what they bought from farmers

 

[fieldfarmer]

Hence the problem qf were only selling what they bought from farmers

I don't think the problem was with their purchasing strategy.

 

[Agri–Mechanics]

I finally finished this job today but not without incident fitted new turbo but was horrified to see oil bypassing turbo seals again . No way another turbo was bad so shut it down and went through everything again only to find the too half of the oil return pipe had been welded shut too so oil could not drain from the turbo . It was hidden by the rubber connection puoe. I had to cut the weld out and fit a slightly longer rubber hose I removed the bottom half of the pioe just to check that wasn't welded shut. Re fitted everything and all is finally well. The efforts the guy had gone to to remove the pipes and weld up the inlet and drain pipes to hide the turbo surely it would of been far easier to do the job right in the first pkace.. next job refit clutch in a little Kubota then the big one in Melton mowbray putting the powershift back into a John deere....