Calving Intervention - When?

Discussion in 'Livestock & Forage' started by sjewart, Jan 13, 2019.

  1. sjewart

    sjewart Member

    So I realise this is basic stuff but all the same I'd rather ask than be sorry.

    What checklist do you guys go by when HEIFERS start calving?

    I watch for the water bag, wait for it to burst then give an hour for her to calve before intervening.

    I'd then check that the calf is presenting itself properly and try to calve her.

    Appreciate a checklist of what you guys do and when.
  2. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    ZumerZet Somerset
    at lest an hour with heifers
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  3. 49801

    49801 Member

    Cork Ireland
    It all about progress for me. That said rule of thumb is 2 hours from bag
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  4. Grassman247

    Grassman247 Member

    Assisted 12 cows out of 700 last spring, 3 of those were heifers and 170 heifers were in that 700.

    Every time a new member of staff starts there desperate to dive in with the calving aid, leave the bloody animal alone!

    If I see back feet I assist but if I see a nose and feet let her carry on, just think about human women, some take and hour and some take 14hrs, I’d rather a dead calf than a cow/heifer with a retained cleansing that doesn’t want to cycle and won’t get back in calf again
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  5. CharcoalWally

    CharcoalWally Member

    West of Scotland
    But I assume you're still working with these very terminal type heifers @sjewart ?
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  6. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    ZumerZet Somerset
    are you a dairy farmer ?
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  7. milkloss

    milkloss Member

    East Sussex
    I was thinking the same. Provided all is presented well I would just give her a chance to slack up a bit and jump in. These chunky animals won’t calve easy first time round especially.
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  8. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    ZumerZet Somerset
    news to me
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  9. sjewart

    sjewart Member

    Sorry guys yes I'm calving down shapely pure lim or lim x heifers.
  10. sjewart

    sjewart Member

    From bag bursting or just appearance of bag?
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  12. Princess Pooper

    East Mids
    I'm happy for them to take far longer than that, if no progress for an hour after bag is out then check presented correctly. If she is making progress, moving about, pushing and calf does not appear distressed I'm quite happy for 5-6 hours in total. Obviously once out at the shoulders then will dive in quickly if needed in case it hangs at the hips. Often they just take time to open up and diving in to calve them is going to cause damage.
    I'll add an edit to that, as it's not clear in my text, after checking presented correctly (which is essential if she's not making progress) then I like to check her at least every hour within that overall timeframe. (It reads at bit as if I'd check them after the first hour and then not again until 5 hrs).
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2019
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  13. sjewart

    sjewart Member

    That's way longer than I would have dared.... good to know
  14. Princess Pooper

    East Mids
    The vet who used to post on here said far too many farmers dive in too early (especially if they then use a jack as obviously there is sufficient force to really do some damage).
  15. Werzle

    Werzle Member

    700!!! Rather you than me, bloody hell. Heifers are sods at times, moan like there dying then jump up and bugger off when you have helped them . As long as there coming correctly i try to leave them alone and keep out of sight but i wouldnt leave them more than two hours myself after seeing the feet. I agree far more cows are hurt by people jacking them out too soon though.
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  16. sjewart

    sjewart Member

    Thanks all, this is helpful.
  17. I always look for progress.

    When the progress stops its time to have a feel to determine why.

  18. Have found less is more with heifers. If correct presentation will leave 4 or 5 hours if they look to be getting on with it. Keep an eye on if during the day, will sometimes intervene early if going to be away fencing, moving stock etc.

    I take the view the calf has been in there fine for 9 months, a few more hours provided it is presented ok is unlikely to do it any harm.
  19. You would not believe the number of times vets get called to a sick cow that has recently calved where the root cause is a second calf that didn't make it out alive.. if nothing else, put a hand in to check there isn't a second or third. Happens more often than I think we realise.
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  20. sjewart

    sjewart Member

    Mine are scanned singles

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