Case IH 844xl poor cold start

[Pogo]

Hi to you all from a newbie !
I have a 1989 case 844xl and it's always struggled to start , I prime the fuel pump and then hold the key onto the spring position for 30 seconds at a time and I do this three times but I feel that's too much possibly ?
I have a new battery and she spins over ok do you have any ideas as if this is right please ?
There's no glow plug light on the dash should there be?
Many thanks

 

[clayson]

We have a 885 and a 844, turn the key on the 885 and she’ll fire straight up even on a frosty morning, the 844 on over hand takes bit of cranking. For heater plug just turn key 1/4 way no lights on dash. If you needing to prime fuel could it be running back to tank, any cracks holes in fuel pipe? Love the 844 tho! It’s feels completely different beast to the 855!

 

[ollandroverman]

There is no heater light as I remember, if it is working you should be able to feel warmth in the manifold after a period of heating.
A new larger rating starter motor really helps them, and changed mine for the better.

 

[clayson]

We have a 885 and a 844, turn the key on the 885 and she’ll fire straight up even on a frosty morning, the 844 on over hand takes bit of cranking. For heater plug just turn key 1/4 way no lights on dash. If you needing to prime fuel could it be running back to tank, any cracks holes in fuel pipe? Love the 844 tho! It’s feels completely different beast to the 855!

 

[Boohoo]

A high speed starter is the only way to sort an 844. I put a Jubana starter on mine but I think Mahle now make one that fits. I've also uprated the battery to something with a bit more kick.

 

[Pogo]

Thank you I put a battery with better cranking amps and it’s helped !
So where should the key position be please ?

 

[Pogo]

Clayson no leaks as far as I know I’ve always just pumped the lever on the bottom of the lift pump as thought it would help .

 

[Boohoo]

Thank you I put a battery with better cranking amps and it’s helped !
So where should the key position be please ?

According to my operators manual

 

[Boohoo]

Clayson no leaks as far as I know I’ve always just pumped the lever on the bottom of the lift pump as thought it would help .

They all need a few pumps of the lift pump when they've been sitting for a while.

 

[Pogo]

According to my operators manual

Great thank you so much I will try this and see if manifold warms , I take it it has a heater plug in there ?

 

[Pogo]

Thank you so much for all your help it is really appreciated ??

 

[Boohoo]

Just reading the operators manual and there's an excess fuel position on the engine stop control that I didn't know about. Bit embarrassing since we've had our 844 for over 20 years now.

 

[Boohoo]

Great thank you so much I will try this and see if manifold warms , I take it it has a heater plug in there ?

It's not a heater plug, it's a heater coil that warms the air just before the inlet manifold.

 

[Pogo]

Thank you and I’ve found this starter thanks for it thanks the advise I will check tomorrow the circuit is working fine but will probably buy the starter motor also !
Case International High Speed Gear Reduction Starter Motor MS18 3.2kW 844 845 955 9561055 1056 1255 1455 844XL 845XL 856XL 956XL 1055XL 1056XL

 

[Pogo]

Thank you and I’ve found this starter thanks for it thanks the advise I will check tomorrow the circuit is working fine but will probably buy the starter motor also !
Case International High Speed Gear Reduction Starter Motor MS18 3.2kW 844 845 955 9561055 1056 1255 1455 844XL 845XL 856XL 956XL 1055XL
This was the mhale one

 

[daveydiesel1]

Wev couple o cold hard starters. We get 2 sheets newspaper roll them up dip first inch in diesel take out air filter light paper and hold it at air intake and they just fire straight up. Laugh or not but it works well

 

[Boohoo]

Thank you and I’ve found this starter thanks for it thanks the advise I will check tomorrow the circuit is working fine but will probably buy the starter motor also !
Case International High Speed Gear Reduction Starter Motor MS18 3.2kW 844 845 955 9561055 1056 1255 1455 844XL 845XL 856XL 956XL 1055XL 1056XL

If you want a starter try @ACEngineering
Had a quick look at the Mahle catalogue and it looks like an MS 18 is the right one but whoever you buy it off can check.

 

[Pogo]

Thank you and I read yesterday that pulling the engine kill till you felt like a notch would add fuel !
I will have a go tomorrow and let you all know .
Really appreciate your help

 

[ACEngineering]

Thank you and I read yesterday that pulling the engine kill till you felt like a notch would add fuel !
I will have a go tomorrow and let you all know .
Really appreciate your help

I'm sending a Alternator out with TNT tomorrow, supposed to get delivered Tuesday? with a bit of luck no trouble to send you a starter as well if you want.

 

[nearly there]

If you look carefully at the stop handle on the dash the sticker on the dash shows the that it is also has an excess fuel position had one for ten years an a Ih mechanic show me that we bypassed the heater circuit and just rd fitted a on off switch