Christmas begging has started early this year!

[Dry Rot]

For many, the cost of having a horse destroyed and disposed of is going to be outside their means, but that's what needs to be done in a lot of cases. Now that is something that ought to be subsidised. They'd rather sell "cheap to good home" (if they can, so passing the problem on) as the rescues are full. Crunch time will probably come in the New Year, especially if we have another hard winter. Nobody seems to be facing up to the problem yet though the vet tells me they are putting down a lot of old horses.

 

[Brisel]

Princess Anne had a good point that as a society, we might treat our unwanted horses better if there was another use for them i.e. meat. We all ate it for years unknowingly, thinking it was beef, so I don't see the problem.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24952823

 

[Highland Mule]

For many, the cost of having a horse destroyed and disposed of is going to be outside their means, but that's what needs to be done in a lot of cases. Now that is something that ought to be subsidised. They'd rather sell "cheap to good home" (if they can, so passing the problem on) as the rescues are full. Crunch time will probably come in the New Year, especially if we have another hard winter. Nobody seems to be facing up to the problem yet though the vet tells me they are putting down a lot of old horses.

Subsidised by whom? I'm not prepared to pay for someone else's hobby, because they overstretched themselves. Any sort of scheme would be abused, I'm sure.

I'd suggest licensing of all pet owners, to reduce the problem up front. Then, I'd place a mandatory maximum time limit on keeping of 'rescue animals' for charitable status - far too many cast off nags and the likes being kept alive un-necessarily and using up valuable resources in this country.

 

[Ukjay]

The only “hand been cut off that feeds you” is the one of farmers and feed suppliers not being paid or taken for fools mugs and expected to give credit. At a guess many if not all who sell the odd bales don’t need to sell to the into equine sector. Especially this year with prices high for stock feed. Most of us make our living and money else where, so selling to equines is a little bonus but not essential. They would be wise to remember that they need farmers 3 times a day themselves and once or twice for their nag. Not so much the other way round as it’s a few years since I and others last wanted my dose of horse which Tesco and Findus kindly obliged.

Erm... I think I will leave this debate here now - as clearly my further comments could potentially stir a hornets nest following the above highlighted parts... as it is a very volitile and contentious area when talking to a forum specifically for farmers..

 

[Brisel]

Erm... I think I will leave this debate here now - as clearly my further comments could potentially stir a hornets nest following the above highlighted parts... as it is a very volitile and contentious area when talking to a forum specifically for farmers..

No doubt there's a parallel thread running on a horse forum saying how awful farmers are

 

[Ukjay]

No doubt there's a parallel thread running on a horse forum saying how awful farmers are

Whereby you deffinitely would not find me on one of them - but if I happened to stumble onto such a thread ir conversation stating such sh!t, I would say exactly the same:

Wise the "F" up, because we all need each other...

Yes, I know it may be difficult to comprehend for some: but we actually need supportive - well informed customers / suppliers / ambassadors, in order for any industry to survive.

Become mono focused / self centered and seek to blame everyone else for the wrongs to our own detriment..

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Whereby you deffinitely would not find me on one of them - but if I happened to stumble onto such a thread ir conversation stating such sh!t, I would say exactly the same:

Wise the "F" up, because we all need each other...

Yes, I know it may be difficult to comprehend for some: but we actually need supportive - well informed customers / suppliers / ambassadors, in order for any industry to survive.

Become mono focused / self centered and seek to blame everyone else for the wrongs to our own detriment..

Thought you said you was leaving this thread !

 

[Timbo]

Get a mobile card payment reader and payment or nothing?

We use this:

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[Ukjay]

Thought you said you was leaving this thread !

Erm, I think you may find it related to the member I was debating with. Never have I written I will leave the thread

Brisel however, is taking a somewhat different tact and inducing another slant to the topic of conversation - something akin to sarcasm, which is far away from where the previous noted debate / follow up comments would lead, so I am playing along with his game..

 

[Brisel]

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. You're against anti-horse owner sweeping statements in a farmer's forum & defending horse owners, so I thought I'd stir things up a bit from the back of the classroom

 

[7610 super q]

Whereby you deffinitely would not find me on one of them - but if I happened to stumble onto such a thread ir conversation stating such sh!t, I would say exactly the same:

Wise the "F" up, because we all need each other...

Yes, I know it may be difficult to comprehend for some: but we actually need supportive - well informed customers / suppliers / ambassadors, in order for any industry to survive.

Become mono focused / self centered and seek to blame everyone else for the wrongs to our own detriment..

' fraid not. After 5 years of putting up with shite trying to flog hay/ haylage, I've ploughed up my grassland to grow more corn.
I know it's a cliche, but life's too short for this

 

[Ukjay]

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. You're against anti-horse owner sweeping statements in a farmer's forum & defending horse owners, so I thought I'd stir things up a bit from the back of the classroom

I'm against that kind of directive yes, as basically it includes me and people like me in the derogatory slant, to which I am also trying to be mindful of where I am to avoid more direct confrontational debate....and moreso I am not like that.

Additionally, I was not aware with the T&C's it stated you must be a full time farmer, or come from a farming family to communicate in an open forum - so maybe people should reflect on their own shortcomings before chastising others incorrectly...if they do not like the counter truths..

 

[Still Farming]

Princess Anne had a good point that as a society, we might treat our unwanted horses better if there was another use for them i.e. meat. We all ate it for years unknowingly, thinking it was beef, so I don't see the problem.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24952823

Don't think the "Likey Likies ",treat meat ponies and horses any better alledgedly???

 

[Brisel]

I'm against that kind of directive yes, as basically it includes me and people like me in the derogatory slant, to which I am also trying to be mindful of where I am to avoid more direct confrontational debate....and moreso I am not like that.

Additionally, I was not aware with the T&C's it stated you must be a full time farmer, or come from a farming family to communicate in an open forum - so maybe people should reflect on their own shortcomings before chastising others incorrectly...if they do not like the counter truths..

Of course there are no Ts & Cs stating what your profession is. You posted a strongly worded retort to the general anti-horse trend of the thread hence me asking what your angle was. Which you kindly stated.

 

[Ukjay]

Of course there are no Ts & Cs stating what your profession is. You posted a strongly worded retort to the general anti-horse trend of the thread hence me asking what your angle was. Which you kindly stated.

Which for the record, I would also do so in person as well.

I obviously differ somewhat in that I will treat people as individuals vs as a collective, hence my dislike for generalised sweeping statements, similarly I woukd not come onto the forum and say all farmers are the same.
To me that would be foolhardy and ignorant on my part, as I have been given a lot of valuable information and support from some very knowledgeable members....to which I am grateful of...

I do not know for sure, but maybe I was raised differently, in that I was taught that one should not be blanketing everyone with the same umbrella when met with obstacles / challenges?

 

[Dolomite]

Erm... I think I will leave this debate here now - as clearly my further comments could potentially stir a hornets nest following the above highlighted parts... as it is a very volitile and contentious area when talking to a forum specifically for farmers..

I’m all for open, transparent and uncomfortable conversations. How else do we learn and educate each other with reasons and facts. To me that’s what a healthy conversation and debate is all about. Everyone has their said opinion, view point and platform. It’s then down to them to point it out if they so wish. To inform others to their reasons for their beliefs and how it’s was formed. Then the audience may go and form their own opinions or operate with some level of balanced reasoning and education on the matter in question.

You might be referring to other post as regards generalised statements. The statement made in my original post was a observation on the ones owing and that usually do owe me money. Not as a industry collective observation.

 

[Ukjay]

You might be referring to other post as regards generalised statements. The statement made in my original post was a observation on the ones owing and that usually do owe me money. Not as a industry collective observation.

Erm, please do not try and insinuate it was someone elses post that triggered our debate off. I clearly showed you the generalised statement that you made in my earlier post where your made a generalised comment, but to be clear again - here it is below

Typical love hate relationship with the equine fraternity. Sometime they make you a lot of money on jobs and sales. Other times you just want to bash their heads in to make them realise the error of their ways and stupidity.

Nowhere does it state it is linked only to the people you are dealing with and have issue with, and after reading the numerous attacks on here towards horsey people - it is realistic to accept that you were as above shows - talking generally!


You then replied to my post with this, which implies you realised that it may actually include a generalised statement:

It wasn’t meant to anyway.

So please, at least stand up and accept what you initially said as something you did - I will definitely respect you more for doing so, over someone trying to imply that it was other people who drew that line first..


If it was an error / mistake, sh!t; we all make mistakes, hell, I have made mistakes on doing certain things with our new property through lack of diligence / ignorance etc, and I have admitted them on here - and there is nothing wrong with doing so imho, so why you feel the need to deflect your comments onto someone else - especially when I am the underdog on this forum, is beyond me.

 

[principal skinner]

Whereby you deffinitely would not find me on one of them - but if I happened to stumble onto such a thread ir conversation stating such sh!t, I would say exactly the same:

Wise the "F" up, because we all need each other...

Yes, I know it may be difficult to comprehend for some: but we actually need supportive - well informed customers / suppliers / ambassadors, in order for any industry to survive.

Become mono focused / self centered and seek to blame everyone else for the wrongs to our own detriment..

Having 30+ liveries on the farm I can assure you I don’t need any of them, industrial units would be far less work and pay more, but it keeps my wife occupied sorting out all the bitching and sniping that goes on, I deal with the late payers, padlock on the stable door and I tell everyone on the yard why, they soon pay!

 

[Ukjay]

Having 30+ liveries on the farm I can assure you I don’t need any of them, industrial units would be far less work and pay more, but it keeps my wife occupied sorting out all the bitching and sniping that goes on, I deal with the late payers, padlock on the stable door and I tell everyone on the yard why, they soon pay!

Well don't do it then. Stop the whinging and whinng and move on...your wife can still be as occupied by looking after the industrial units

I simply do not get all this animosity towards people if it is evidentally possible to get out of a situation, other than a way to allow oneself to perpetuate the bitching about others.

As someone illuded to earlier - life is far too short...

 

[principal skinner]

Well don't do it then. Stop the whinging and whinng and move on...your wife can still be as occupied by looking after the industrial units

I simply do not get all this animosity towards people if it is evidentally possible to get out of a situation, other than a way to allow oneself to perpetuate the bitching about others.

As someone illuded to earlier - life is far too short...

Your the one being chippy! I treat them all with respect, right up to the moment they start being stroppy, not paying, don’t like the hay, straw, allocated paddock, bridlepaths, parking space, outdoor school, indoor school, toilets, kitchen area, you name it SOME of them will find fault. The MAJORITY are fine and at least a third of them would be classed as friends.

Calm down chap.