Claas the good the bad and the ugly.

[Frankzy]

I would be wary of any machine made using an assortment of other branded parts.

Trouble with Claas around here is that they are rare, which I assume has a knock-on impact on used values. A JD or Fendt seems to be the popular marque around here.

Wouldn't that mean that you would be wary of basically any tractor that isn't.. uuh.. Valtra?
John Deere uses ZF transmission and CNH uses Fiat engines, Fendt has Deutz engines and while Deutz-Fahr naturally uses their own engines they instead use ZF transmissions...

 

[cider_eater]

Often think JCB would pull better in the field if they had 38 tyres on the rear end and smaller tyre on the front.

 

[Moors Lad]

Often think JCB would pull better in the field if they had 38 tyres on the rear end and smaller tyre on the front.

Must be good stuff yon cider. . .

 

[ollie989898]

Wouldn't that mean that you would be wary of basically any tractor that isn't.. uuh.. Valtra?
John Deere uses ZF transmission and CNH uses Fiat engines, Fendt has Deutz engines and while Deutz-Fahr naturally uses their own engines they instead use ZF transmissions...

You got it. Valtra.

 

[mtx.jag]

11500 hours on our 816,still in everyday service and never been split.

 

[livestock 1]

I have a fitter mate who I asked the very same question about Claas tractors he said some of the early ones liked to break down for fun

 

[cider_eater]

If JCB had option all large fours or large at rear smaller front I would think the small fronts away in front, same as the standard 4 wheel drives, it's not all farmers need large fours!

 

[Cowabunga]

Wouldn't that mean that you would be wary of basically any tractor that isn't.. uuh.. Valtra?
John Deere uses ZF transmission and CNH uses Fiat engines, Fendt has Deutz engines and while Deutz-Fahr naturally uses their own engines they instead use ZF transmissions...

Deere have their own transmissions apart from the CVT, which is a ZF unit, or units, because they use various models according to the power output of the engine in front.
CNH use FPT [Fiat/Iveco] power units because CNH are part of Fiat. So in effect, CNH use their own engines. As do most AGCO models apart from the bigger Fendt, which mainly use Deutz engines currently apart from the very big ones and the very small ones. Yes Deutz, McCormick and Kubota use ZF transmissions, rear axles and hydraulics ['transaxles'] on mid range models to their larger models. Some smaller Claas and Deutz tractors are made by Same in Italy with their 'Powerfarmer' engines sourced from the SDF factory in India.
Class use either Same, DPS [Deere Power Systems], or FPT [Fiat Power Train] engines. They use mainly GIMA transmissions from the AGCO factory complex at Beauvais, France. Some MF and Valtra transmissions come from the Fendt factory and some bigger Valtra are assembled at Beauvais. Class tractors are made in France [Monte Carlo], as are most mid-range Deere engines [Saran].
Most MF engines are made in Finland. FPT come from Italy. CNH transmissions are made in Italy and Belgium. Turbochargers and radiators for both Swiss and UK made Case tractors are made in the UK.

 

[Nithsdale]

Deere have their own transmissions apart from the CVT, which is a ZF unit, or units, because they use various models according to the power output of the engine in front.
CNH use FPT [Fiat/Iveco] power units because CNH are part of Fiat. So in effect, CNH use their own engines. As do most AGCO models apart from the bigger Fendt, which mainly use Deutz engines currently apart from the very big ones and the very small ones. Yes Deutz, McCormick and Kubota use ZF transmissions, rear axles and hydraulics ['transaxles'] on mid range models to their larger models. Some smaller Claas and Deutz tractors are made by Same in Italy with their 'Powerfarmer' engines sourced from the SDF factory in India.
Class use either Same, DPS [Deere Power Systems], or FPT [Fiat Power Train] engines. They use mainly GIMA transmissions from the AGCO factory complex at Beauvais, France. Some MF and Valtra transmissions come from the Fendt factory and some bigger Valtra are assembled at Beauvais. Class tractors are made in France [Monte Carlo], as are most mid-range Deere engines [Saran].
Most MF engines are made in Finland. FPT come from Italy. CNH transmissions are made in Italy and Belgium. Turbochargers and radiators for both Swiss and UK made Case tractors are made in the UK.

It isn't something I'm up on, but aren't AGCO using SISU engines? That was supposedly why they bought Valtra...

Edit: re-reading your post I think thats what you were meaning. I interpreted it differently

 

[BBC]

Class tractors are made in France [Monte Carlo], as are most mid-range Deere engines [Saran].
Most MF engines are made in Finland.

I think you will find Claas tractors are made at Le Mans. Claas use their own CVT transmissions in the Arion and they also own 50% of GIMA with AGCO.

 

[thorpe]

all compay,s seem to all be using cheap cr£p 100hp tractors badge engineered sh!t , wish we had changed the axos 2 years ago when they wanted me to. area claas man knew what was coming!

 

[Moors Lad]

If JCB had option all large fours or large at rear smaller front I would think the small fronts away in front, same as the standard 4 wheel drives, it's not all farmers need large fours!

Real vintage stuff, I`m thinking . . . .

 

[Lowland1]

all compay,s seem to all be using cheap cr£p 100hp tractors badge engineered sh!t , wish we had changed the axos 2 years ago when they wanted me to. area claas man knew what was coming!

Class still make the Axos and I was offered a choice of either two Axos or 2 Arion 410's just before the virus came the Axos though weren't as high spec as what we had so I was going Arion but with the uncertainty I decided not plus it's hard to move used tractors here so I'm waiting. Last week they offered a further discount but much as I want I think now's a time to save not spend.

 

[mtx.jag]

I have a fitter mate who I asked the very same question about Claas tractors he said some of the early ones liked to break down for fun

What model?

 

[Suffolk Serf]

Deere have their own transmissions apart from the CVT, which is a ZF unit, or units, because they use various models according to the power output of the engine in front.
CNH use FPT [Fiat/Iveco] power units because CNH are part of Fiat. So in effect, CNH use their own engines. As do most AGCO models apart from the bigger Fendt, which mainly use Deutz engines currently apart from the very big ones and the very small ones. Yes Deutz, McCormick and Kubota use ZF transmissions, rear axles and hydraulics ['transaxles'] on mid range models to their larger models. Some smaller Claas and Deutz tractors are made by Same in Italy with their 'Powerfarmer' engines sourced from the SDF factory in India.
Class use either Same, DPS [Deere Power Systems], or FPT [Fiat Power Train] engines. They use mainly GIMA transmissions from the AGCO factory complex at Beauvais, France. Some MF and Valtra transmissions come from the Fendt factory and some bigger Valtra are assembled at Beauvais. Class tractors are made in France [Monte Carlo], as are most mid-range Deere engines [Saran].
Most MF engines are made in Finland. FPT come from Italy. CNH transmissions are made in Italy and Belgium. Turbochargers and radiators for both Swiss and UK made Case tractors are made in the UK.

Claas made at Le Mans, not Monte Carlo. Just crowing because it's not often that you can be caught out for being wrong!

 

[Sid]

Claas made at Le Mans, not Monte Carlo. Just crowing because it's not often that you can be caught out for being wrong!

Dam google ??

 

[mtx.jag]

Dam google ??

Wait for it ??????

 

[livestock 1]

What model?

I don’t know it was the early ones. He mentioned the gearboxes and shafts being soft.

 

[mtx.jag]

I don’t know it was the early ones. He mentioned the gearboxes and shafts being soft.

Ah right,There are 697 Ares here with 16000 hours on,Arions with 14000. It dosent matter what colour you buy,they all sh!t them selves ?

 

[livestock 1]

Yes exactly. You would never buy any tractor if you listened to what folk say