Climate myths

[wanton dwarf]

Tis only the draft. I tarose form an initiative proposed in part by a certain Boris Johnson, which may be enough to damn it in some people's eyes, after the shambolic response to COVID 19.

Like it or not most countries have already signed treaties to address the causes of climate change, so no change there.

Land use change/biodiversity loss does not mean rewilding - in the context of infectious diseases changes in these factors affecyts the likelihood of more human-wildlife contact so that, say monkey viruses may get in to people more often as jungles are cleared. There is an intention to address that, but not a secret plan to broadly rewild populated areas.

According to the UK parliament the treaty intends to:

The main goal of this treaty would be to foster an all of government and all of
society approach, strengthening national, regional and global capacities and
resilience to future pandemics. This includes greatly enhancing international
co-operation to improve, for example, alert systems, data-sharing, research
and local, regional and global production and distribution of medical and
public health counter-measures such as vaccines, medicines, diagnostics and
personal protective equipment.

I expect the vaccine part will upset the usual parties but in truth vaccines remain the safest most cost effective way of managing infectious diseases and have done to 150 years.

Hmmm, personally I wouldn't say anything about the Covid-19 vaccines being either good or bad - other than they were not subject to the standard industry testing regime - something which WHO & others are looking to reduce in the future as well.

I won't be taking another one though given what I have read & experienced.

Lots of problems being highlighted and investigated - latest one is the contamination with Simian Virus DNA which is known to cause cancer.

USA will probably lead the way with legal cases, fines & convictions.

 

[Charles.]

What broken logic you employ, so the only 2 conclusions you can draw, support your thinking.
what about the real reason they built them?
They had the coal, coal power was fast and cheap, and they needed electric, they had dispensation, because they argued that the first world had, had there coal power eras, and blocking the third world from doing, what we have done, and Germany is still was doing, was going to be impossible and unfair.
Yet China also has the biggest adoption rate for renewables in fact they installed more in one year than the us had done to that point.

So at no point is either of your conclusions even in the ball park, of being correct.
That’s just looking for justification to your opinion.

I also note you never supply links to your facts, which usually means that you don’t do first hand research more Facebook, YouTube, only a few website that agree with you.

are you a member of the flat earth society by any chance, what’s your take on that?

I disagree, on the assumption China and India thought net zero is true, regardless of their energy needs, then they don't care. If they cared they would do other alternatives for energy needs.

I find video evidence the strongest evidence because I can see a person and hear what that person says on video. A considerable number have been verified as climate scientists and other scientists.I can then try to verify that person on the internet. I find written information regardless of the source less strong evidence.

It takes someone of low intelligence to think the flat Earth theory is true.

 

[Charles.]

There is no evidence that WHO treaty will force countries to impose lockdowns, mass vaccination and all the other things bandied about in the press:

Will the WHO be given the power to impose restrictive measures?

Recent reports have highlighted concerns that the WHO may be given powers to impose certain restrictive measures such as lockdowns, mandatory quarantines, or mandatory vaccines.
The proposed treaty does not currently have any provisions for such measures, nor grant the WHO such powers.

When asked during a Parliamentary debate whether the UK Government could give assurances that the UK would not accede sovereignty and power to the WHO,51 the Government Minister (Anne-Marie Trevelyan) said:

Yes, absolutely I can. The speculation that somehow the instrument will undermine UK sovereignty and give WHO powers over national public health measures is simply not the case. I absolutely reassure both my right hon. Friend and my hon. Friend the Member for Hastings and Rye (Sally-Ann Hart), who raised a similar issue earlier, on behalf of all their constituents: that is not the case. The UK remains in control of any future domestic decisions about public health matters—such as domestic vaccination—that might be needed in any future pandemic that we may have to manage. Protecting those national sovereign rights is a distinct principle in the existing draft text. … that is absolutely not the case.

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I've never claimed what the WHO can impose on countries.

Clearly someone is wrong. Trevelyan or Bridgen, it's either true or false. I find video evidence stronger evidence than written evidence and would prefer seeing Trevelyan saying this on camera.

I have listened to medical professionals, legal professionals, not just Bridgen and Campbell,all on camera, all saying the WHO wants to govern countries over medical matters rather than own countries governance. I have seen the written WHO document and my own understanding agrees with the aforementioned other than Trevelyan. Therefore I have concluded this is proof in my book.

Why has this debate been refused despite over a hundred thousand of the public requesting it

. I find it disgraceful behaviour when Mordaunt says there is enough to worry about and inventing drama where there is none. The house must debate the WHO instead of blocking the will of over a hundred thousand people signing a petition who have the legal right to a debate.

 

[Charles.]

Climate Taxes have been introduced YEARS ago

Do you think the recent inflation was just the Ukraine War ?

EU Carbon Credit Market was almost 1 Trillion Euros a few years ago, paid for by poor people giving to rich politicians. Carbon Taxes are on ALL fossil fuels used in Energy - that's why "Renewables" are supposedly cheaper - because Carbon Credits don't have to be bought.

Whether net zero is true or false it will tax people and put a good number of small to medium businesses out of business not to mention hardship on many. I suspect it's intentional, net zero a lie with someone pocketing the net zero tax money.

 

[Charles.]

Sea level rise has been pretty much the same for the past 10,000 years as the world gets warmer, as has continental drift rise & fall.

It's all fear & loathing to justify a few people getting immensely rich & powerful.

There is NO MISTAKE that agencies such as the UN, WEF, EU etc are developing these policies because none of them are elected. Just look at the draconian authoritarian ideology being pushed.

We don't need any of these self serving over paid idiots.

Why trust WEF when the head of it Klaus Schwab says you'll own nothing and you'll be happy and you will eat the bugs. Instead of people dismissing what Schwab is saying here, just think what's going on. A dictatorship such as WEF, who can't be elected or unelected is spouting net zero etc. to suit their dictatorship agenda, I think they are lying about net zero etc.

 

[Charles.]

Hmmm, personally I wouldn't say anything about the Covid-19 vaccines being either good or bad - other than they were not subject to the standard industry testing regime - something which WHO & others are looking to reduce in the future as well.

I won't be taking another one though given what I have read & experienced.

Lots of problems being highlighted and investigated - latest one is the contamination with Simian Virus DNA which is known to cause cancer.

USA will probably lead the way with legal cases, fines & convictions.


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COVID 19 vaccine is an experimental vaccine as it's not proven safe long term. Why according to Office of National Statistics are there still excess deaths ? According to a considerable number of doctors, scientists they attribute these deaths to this experimental vaccine.

 

[Dave645]

I disagree, on the assumption China and India thought net zero is true, regardless of their energy needs, then they don't care. If they cared they would do other alternatives for energy needs.

I find video evidence the strongest evidence because I can see a person and hear what that person says on video. A considerable number have been verified as climate scientists and other scientists.I can then try to verify that person on the internet. I find written information regardless of the source less strong evidence.

It takes someone of low intelligence to think the flat Earth theory is true.

the problems with videos are that, they often do not quote references, so they can say anything they want and the anyone being lazy and not fact checking them, will believe them, even if they are not stating verified facts, try watching videos that share references, and data sources for their conclusions, then looking at those references and data.
videos are good to point you to questions to ask and find out about, and good ones will share the data sources because they are not sharing opinion just facts. if you're not happy with their conclusions you can google more data from other sources to see if their conclusion is supported.
data is key, anyone can say anything but without supporting data it's just opinion, a guy stating opinion in a video that doesn't share where his data is from is not a sound place to get info. if they want to be credible, they will at least mention supporting info or sources for it, if they do not link directly to it.

https://www.youtube.com/@JustHaveaThink

this guy talks on a range of topics, is he correct about everything he talks about, I doubt it, but at least he shares where he is getting his info. so, we can go see it or look for other data.

 

[primmiemoo]

Hmmm, personally I wouldn't say anything about the Covid-19 vaccines being either good or bad - other than they were not subject to the standard industry testing regime - something which WHO & others are looking to reduce in the future as well.

I won't be taking another one though given what I have read & experienced.

Lots of problems being highlighted and investigated - latest one is the contamination with Simian Virus DNA which is known to cause cancer.

USA will probably lead the way with legal cases, fines & convictions.


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Good grief! Where's the facts in that?

You do know Lapado was found out fabricating the actualité about covid vaccines, don't you? That article is a work of fiction.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Good grief! Where's the facts in that?

You do know Lapado was found out fabricating the actualité about covid vaccines, don't you? That article is a work of fiction.

WTF are you on about ?

Try actually writing a sentance that makes sense.

 

[primmiemoo]

COVID 19 vaccine is an experimental vaccine as it's not proven safe long term. Why according to Office of National Statistics are there still excess deaths ? According to a considerable number of doctors, scientists they attribute these deaths to this experimental vaccine.

Is this a good place to ask you for advice on getting a large, dead, horse out of a stable?

Or would you be interested to buy this bridge?

 

[primmiemoo]

WTF are you on about ?

Try actually writing a sentance that makes sense.

Why have you posted that jumble of medical misinformation that emanates from an organised campaign to spread disinformation about covid vaccines?

 

[wanton dwarf]

Why have you posted that jumble of medical misinformation that emanates from an organised campaign to spread disinformation about covid vaccines?

Well that statement is a complete load of utter BS

 

[wanton dwarf]

Why have you posted that jumble of medical misinformation that emanates from an organised campaign to spread disinformation about covid vaccines?

This is when I first saw details about the contamination of Covid Vaccines & FFS grow up

 

[Interested in farming]

COVID 19 vaccine is an experimental vaccine as it's not proven safe long term. Why according to Office of National Statistics are there still excess deaths ? According to a considerable number of doctors, scientists they attribute these deaths to this experimental vaccine.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-link-uk-excess-deaths-covid-19-vaccines-2024-02-06/

However, health agency data, standardised for age, challenge this narrative. For example, ONS data show all-cause deaths in England were higher among the unvaccinated than those who had received at least one dose, for every month in its April 2021 to May 2023 dataset, opens new tab.
“There is no evidence COVID-19 vaccinations are linked to these estimated excess deaths,” a spokeswoman for the ONS said via email.
Experts point to the long-term effects of surviving COVID infection, NHS delays and a lack of preventive care as explanations for the higher-than-average mortalities.

I'll point out that this debate gets no one anywhere. Fully vaccinated and happy with it. Believe that the vaccine is unsafe. Up to you. Minds have been made up.

Maybe I'll find out one day that Neil Oliver is right and I'm doomed.

 

[Interested in farming]

Hmmm, personally I wouldn't say anything about the Covid-19 vaccines being either good or bad - other than they were not subject to the standard industry testing regime - something which WHO & others are looking to reduce in the future as well.

I won't be taking another one though given what I have read & experienced.

Lots of problems being highlighted and investigated - latest one is the contamination with Simian Virus DNA which is known to cause cancer.

USA will probably lead the way with legal cases, fines & convictions.


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For every 'smoking gun' there is a rebuttal. You guys are arguing with each other and getting nowhere. Personally I wouldn't trust the Florida Surgeon General to clean my windows but others rate him.

I've had cancer and I'll happily keep taking the vaccine.

COVID-19 VACCINES AND CANCER: WHAT WE KNOW
Reuters has previously debunked the claim that COVID-19 vaccines cause cancer (here), or weaken the immune system (here).
Experts at Meedan’s Health Desk explained in Oct. 2021 (here) that experts found no evidence linking the vaccines to cancer or HIV.
No evidence was supplied to allow Reuters Fact Check to assess the veracity of the claim.
The American Cancer Society explains (here) that the COVID-19 pandemic is expected to cause increased cancer mortality over long term due to “delayed diagnoses; interruptions or alterations in potentially curative treatment; the possibility that some adults will abandon prior patterns of preventive care; and the expectation that millions of adults will remain unemployed and without health insurance.”
The disruption in regular cancer screenings and care during the COVID-19 pandemic is also discussed in medical journals (here), (here), (here).
One study (here) showed the number of endoscopies performed in April 2020, near the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, was 90% less than the number performed in the first three months of 2020. The study highlighted that between 30 and 40 percent of patients diagnosed with cancer were done through routine outpatient referral pathways.
Dr. Gigi Gronvall, immunology expert and senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (here), told Reuters via email that T cells do not work as described by Cole.
“If— and it’s a big if— he is seeing genuinely more cancer patients in a way that is statistically verifiable now, it is likely due to people putting off cancer and other medical screening during the last couple years,” Gronvall said.
Dr. Andrew Badley, an infectious disease expert and head of Mayo Clinic’s COVID-19 Task Force, also told Reuters via email the COVID-19 pandemic has caused people to delay non-urgent healthcare tasks, which results in diseases that potentially would have been caught at early stages now presenting at more advanced stages with more challenges.
“Also, now that patients are re-engaging with the health care system, some are being diagnosed with illnesses that in many cases were not caught early,” Badley said. “Many of these are cancer diagnoses, as well as other severe diagnoses including neurologic disorders, cardiac disease and others.”
“There are no controlled studies which link these diagnoses to SARS-CoV2 infections, treatment of COVID-19 or to COVID-19 vaccines, and there is no reason to believe that these diagnoses are in any way associated with COVID-19 or with COVID-19 vaccines,” Badley added.
Gronvall concurred, saying “The vaccines have been examined in millions upon millions of people at this point and there is zero evidence that there is any link to any kind of cancer.”
Fact checkers USA Today (here), Health Feedback (here), FactCheck.org (here) and the Associated Press (here) have debunked the claim that COVID-19 vaccines are linked to increased cases of cancer.
Harvard Health explored a study in November (here) that found protective benefits of COVID-19 vaccines for cancer patients, as did a December Stanford study (here).
VERDICT
Misleading/No evidence. There is no evidence to suggest a causal link between COVID-19 vaccines and increased cases of cancer.
This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work  here

 

[wanton dwarf]

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-link-uk-excess-deaths-covid-19-vaccines-2024-02-06/

However, health agency data, standardised for age, challenge this narrative. For example, ONS data show all-cause deaths in England were higher among the unvaccinated than those who had received at least one dose, for every month in its April 2021 to May 2023 dataset, opens new tab.
“There is no evidence COVID-19 vaccinations are linked to these estimated excess deaths,” a spokeswoman for the ONS said via email.
Experts point to the long-term effects of surviving COVID infection, NHS delays and a lack of preventive care as explanations for the higher-than-average mortalities.

I'll point out that this debate gets no one anywhere. Fully vaccinated and happy with it. Believe that the vaccine is unsafe. Up to you. Minds have been made up.

Maybe I'll find out one day that Neil Oliver is right and I'm doomed.

Reuters & ONS are what exactly ?

Reuters is a media outlet funded by a Billionaire who makes lots of money selling media to mostly the financial industry. ONS is a statistics outlet putting forward numbers.

I'll listen to the DNA Cancer expert who gave evidence to USA congress - at least is able to test the Vaccines whereas the other people haven't got a clue.

I've never had Covid to my knowledge & neither have my parents - but my father now has Myocarditis - I wish my family had never had them.

 

[wanton dwarf]

For every 'smoking gun' there is a rebuttal. You guys are arguing with each other and getting nowhere. Personally I wouldn't trust the Florida Surgeon General to clean my windows but others rate him.

I've had cancer and I'll happily keep taking the vaccine.

COVID-19 VACCINES AND CANCER: WHAT WE KNOW
Reuters has previously debunked the claim that COVID-19 vaccines cause cancer (here), or weaken the immune system (here).
Experts at Meedan’s Health Desk explained in Oct. 2021 (here) that experts found no evidence linking the vaccines to cancer or HIV.
No evidence was supplied to allow Reuters Fact Check to assess the veracity of the claim.
The American Cancer Society explains (here) that the COVID-19 pandemic is expected to cause increased cancer mortality over long term due to “delayed diagnoses; interruptions or alterations in potentially curative treatment; the possibility that some adults will abandon prior patterns of preventive care; and the expectation that millions of adults will remain unemployed and without health insurance.”
The disruption in regular cancer screenings and care during the COVID-19 pandemic is also discussed in medical journals (here), (here), (here).
One study (here) showed the number of endoscopies performed in April 2020, near the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, was 90% less than the number performed in the first three months of 2020. The study highlighted that between 30 and 40 percent of patients diagnosed with cancer were done through routine outpatient referral pathways.
Dr. Gigi Gronvall, immunology expert and senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (here), told Reuters via email that T cells do not work as described by Cole.
“If— and it’s a big if— he is seeing genuinely more cancer patients in a way that is statistically verifiable now, it is likely due to people putting off cancer and other medical screening during the last couple years,” Gronvall said.
Dr. Andrew Badley, an infectious disease expert and head of Mayo Clinic’s COVID-19 Task Force, also told Reuters via email the COVID-19 pandemic has caused people to delay non-urgent healthcare tasks, which results in diseases that potentially would have been caught at early stages now presenting at more advanced stages with more challenges.
“Also, now that patients are re-engaging with the health care system, some are being diagnosed with illnesses that in many cases were not caught early,” Badley said. “Many of these are cancer diagnoses, as well as other severe diagnoses including neurologic disorders, cardiac disease and others.”
“There are no controlled studies which link these diagnoses to SARS-CoV2 infections, treatment of COVID-19 or to COVID-19 vaccines, and there is no reason to believe that these diagnoses are in any way associated with COVID-19 or with COVID-19 vaccines,” Badley added.
Gronvall concurred, saying “The vaccines have been examined in millions upon millions of people at this point and there is zero evidence that there is any link to any kind of cancer.”
Fact checkers USA Today (here), Health Feedback (here), FactCheck.org (here) and the Associated Press (here) have debunked the claim that COVID-19 vaccines are linked to increased cases of cancer.
Harvard Health explored a study in November (here) that found protective benefits of COVID-19 vaccines for cancer patients, as did a December Stanford study (here).
VERDICT
Misleading/No evidence. There is no evidence to suggest a causal link between COVID-19 vaccines and increased cases of cancer.
This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work  here

What do the "Fact Checkers" actually say ?

1) Admit that Vaccines do/did have DNA that should NOT be there.
2) There is no evidence that the stray DNA causes harm

The second claim is irresponsible given the vaccine batches that had the stray DNA haven't been given to everyone. Attempting to use statistics to justify the stray DNA is harmless is stupid & frankly misleading & wrong.

Let's go further on this - WTF are the fact checkers anyway ? What are their sources ? Mostly government & authorities which have created the problem in the first place & the Pharma companies which created the vaccines.

Fact checkers are just the opinion of the establishment - they are not experts - they are literally just another bunch of journalists who haven't got a clue - George Soros created one to spread his fiction.

The truth will out in the courts between experts - not fact checkers or the ONS or indeed government. I'll also throw in here the fact the courts may well get this wrong - it may take decades to conclude - as did the Post Office scandal & many other establishment cover ups.

 

[oval]

For those who think the vax was safe and effective for everyone take a look at a load of science papers which show it isnt.

 

[oval]

There is no evidence that WHO treaty will force countries to impose lockdowns, mass vaccination and all the other things bandied about in the press:

Will the WHO be given the power to impose restrictive measures?

Recent reports have highlighted concerns that the WHO may be given powers to impose certain restrictive measures such as lockdowns, mandatory quarantines, or mandatory vaccines.
The proposed treaty does not currently have any provisions for such measures, nor grant the WHO such powers.

When asked during a Parliamentary debate whether the UK Government could give assurances that the UK would not accede sovereignty and power to the WHO,51 the Government Minister (Anne-Marie Trevelyan) said:

Yes, absolutely I can. The speculation that somehow the instrument will undermine UK sovereignty and give WHO powers over national public health measures is simply not the case. I absolutely reassure both my right hon. Friend and my hon. Friend the Member for Hastings and Rye (Sally-Ann Hart), who raised a similar issue earlier, on behalf of all their constituents: that is not the case. The UK remains in control of any future domestic decisions about public health matters—such as domestic vaccination—that might be needed in any future pandemic that we may have to manage. Protecting those national sovereign rights is a distinct principle in the existing draft text. … that is absolutely not the case.

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[Interested in farming]

What do the "Fact Checkers" actually say ?

1) Admit that Vaccines do/did have DNA that should NOT be there.
2) There is no evidence that the stray DNA causes harm

The second claim is irresponsible given the vaccine batches that had the stray DNA haven't been given to everyone. Attempting to use statistics to justify the stray DNA is harmless is stupid & frankly misleading & wrong.

Let's go further on this - WTF are the fact checkers anyway ? What are their sources ? Mostly government & authorities which have created the problem in the first place & the Pharma companies which created the vaccines.

Fact checkers are just the opinion of the establishment - they are not experts - they are literally just another bunch of journalists who haven't got a clue - George Soros created one to spread his fiction.

The truth will out in the courts between experts - not fact checkers or the ONS or indeed government. I'll also throw in here the fact the courts may well get this wrong - it may take decades to conclude - as did the Post Office scandal & many other establishment cover ups.

An thats my point. This endless back and forth goes nowhere, nothing anyone posts changes anyone's mind. I'm assured that the vaccines are safe, properly developed and save more lives than they cost. You don't.

All I'm saying is the back and forth here while entertaining isn't getting anyone anywhere. I'll continue to dip in for the craic for a read.