shakerator
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yes grain only quite frightening...
7t/ha
£840/ha
seed £60
fert £240
chem £180
rent £280
cults £80
SSSSSSGONE!!!!!
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yes grain only quite frightening...
7t/ha
£840/ha
seed £60
fert £240
chem £180
rent £280
cults £80
SSSSSSGONE!!!!!
SilliamWhale
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180 on chem and 80 on cultivations?
Cripes ill do my chemical and fert calculations later for you. Drilling costs me £20 ha as tractor is bought and paid for so it
Rent is a funny one though as i dont go out and rent for £100 acre and theres not much point doing so
Cripes ill do my chemical and fert calculations later for you. Drilling costs me £20 ha as tractor is bought and paid for so it
Rent is a funny one though as i dont go out and rent for £100 acre and theres not much point doing so
New barley seed @ £330/t = £66
1/2t of urea @ £180/t = £90
Autumn herbicides probably closer to £90 due to avadex
Rental equivalent = £370
Land work = £200 (they are more, but include an element of my salary which I am stripping out)
Spring fungicides are a bit of an unknown but lets say another £90/ha
So £900 per hectare. I am going to get 8t/ha plus of barley in a normal year. Sold at £119 = £952.
So thats £20 per acre profit, plus the single farm payment. Plus the straw.
Now it gets interesting. Suppose I get 100 conventional bales per acre and sell them for £2 each, using my own kit and storing them in my existing sheds. We can do that as our early cut barley means I can spread plenty of digestate etc on to recover my P&K and some N. And we can also add in some intangibles, like reducing our OSR seed rate / being able to use glyphosate (at the moment) pre-OSR drilling. Getting a better established OSR crop, for less, using less chem, and less need for daily insecticides actually has a value.
I think we can do it, and on heavy soil I think most would appreciate the innate value of cleared and prepared land with a month and a bit of weed / volunteer germination.
I certainly look at it as less terrifying than having 1300ac of wheat only coming fit after August bank holiday......on account of not being Scottish. No idea how they do it.
1/2t of urea @ £180/t = £90
Autumn herbicides probably closer to £90 due to avadex
Rental equivalent = £370
Land work = £200 (they are more, but include an element of my salary which I am stripping out)
Spring fungicides are a bit of an unknown but lets say another £90/ha
So £900 per hectare. I am going to get 8t/ha plus of barley in a normal year. Sold at £119 = £952.
So thats £20 per acre profit, plus the single farm payment. Plus the straw.
Now it gets interesting. Suppose I get 100 conventional bales per acre and sell them for £2 each, using my own kit and storing them in my existing sheds. We can do that as our early cut barley means I can spread plenty of digestate etc on to recover my P&K and some N. And we can also add in some intangibles, like reducing our OSR seed rate / being able to use glyphosate (at the moment) pre-OSR drilling. Getting a better established OSR crop, for less, using less chem, and less need for daily insecticides actually has a value.
I think we can do it, and on heavy soil I think most would appreciate the innate value of cleared and prepared land with a month and a bit of weed / volunteer germination.
I certainly look at it as less terrifying than having 1300ac of wheat only coming fit after August bank holiday......on account of not being Scottish. No idea how they do it.
shakerator
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cults includes drilling/ fert spray passes and combining
SilliamWhale
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Oh yes i see
That's only half the question can you make money from £90 tonne. Locking into a small margin is possibly the best option when you look at the amount of a barley going in. Everyone has a view, but those who just hope it will get better either have no rent or finance or are plain gamblers
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Is this a combinables price tracker thread or some sort of Gross Margin comparison thread?
We'll sort of go hand in hand, but should change the name
No.
marshbarn
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sold last of 2016 barley £127 ex farm Spot
And OSR £355 ex farm May + bonus
Still have couple hundred tonnes wheat left to trade
And OSR £355 ex farm May + bonus
Still have couple hundred tonnes wheat left to trade
SilliamWhale
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Sometimes threads go off tangent just take it for what it is and and it will come back to grain price again soon enough.
average farmer
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Made first sale of 2017 harvest today @ £140 feed wheat ex Jan 18
Was bid £124 barley ex March didn't do any though only a couple of loads to shift
Was bid £124 barley ex March didn't do any though only a couple of loads to shift
spikeislander
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was that osr sold today? I only managed £350 for april yesterday.
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£355 ex for march today in kent
marshbarn
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Yes sold yesterday
shakerator
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Big close up of old v new crop today . At last the realisation that the wheat is simply not in the ground
Bullish
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Noticed that.
Might be the time to fix some of my £20t over Nov wheat futures malting barley contracts.
Could sit back & hope it gets dragged along by wheat but if that doesn't happen could also see big acreage going in down south working against it. Can see pound being stronger after various European general elections working against things later on too.
I agree, locked in half my £20 over tonnage today.