Construction industry losing red diesel

[7610 super q]

I take it those who want to see a "greener" agriculture will be making their tractors and machinery last 40 years ? Good, well done.

 

[betweenthelines]

One of the reasons for Red and Derv fuel is so that road hauliers do not face unfair competition from people using Red for non-agric haulage work.

The whole question of what is "haulage" as opposed to agricultural use has been muddied by the advent of high road speed tractors. If a farmer uses a fastrac to deliver straw to another farmer is that not a commercial haulage operation, as it would be if he used a six wheeler?

I suspect that, due to a poor road safety record among other things, all "tractors" capable of 25mph+ will soon be required to use Derv and operate under HGV driver and tachograph regulations.

 

[betweenthelines]

If the rates are viable, then they'll be willing to do it. We've not had any snow worth shifting off the roads in this neck of the woods since 1982. Back in those days I'd imagine you could push an abandoned car off the road. In these times of claim culture I think it best not to get involved in this type of work at all................

HGV driver regs get suspended during "emergencies" like the start of lockdown. Snow clearance will be "emergency" works.

 

[Exfarmer]

the rebate could be set to allow a livestock farmer an appropriate extra amount - a genuine user of red need be no worse off

its the sinple way to stop all the fraudulent and miss use we see

I suspect we would see far more 1,000 hp foragers up in the hills to cut their silage for the 300 sheep on the 5,000 acres

 

[Exfarmer]

Seems to be lots of confusion here.

Red is for Agriculture and off road use. Farming will still use red. Construction plant used exclusively on site (or to travel between sites) will still use Red. I expect that the only change for Construction will be that road cleaners will use white.

Everyone else using Red because they are "off road" will continue to do so.

It's Customs & Excise that enforce the rules because it's a fuel duty offence to use Red on the Highway. They have no right (or desire) to check what you're using in your grain drier or beat up old pick up that you just use on the farm to do a bit of fencing or check the young stock.

PS When I worked for a Local Authority, we used Red in the tractors that travelled about the City to cut grass on sports pitches, trim roadside hedges etc. but I have seen reports of farmers being fined for using Red when topping the village football pitch.

No from next year all plant must run on 100% white, only agriculture and rail will be allowed red.
Which of course brings in the question of plant on the railways!

 

[betweenthelines]

No from next year all plant must run on 100% white, only agriculture and rail will be allowed red.
Which of course brings in the question of plant on the railways!

Got a link?

You are in effect saying that a diesel genny on a building site must use fuel that is taxed for road going vehicles.

 

[Exfarmer]

Rishi announced it in last years budget from April next year all construction loses the right to red diesel. They must have all red flushed through the system beforehand.
Only Agriculture and Rail will be allowed to continue using it.
It was probably one of those tax changes made in the book which accompanies the speech, so did not make headlines

 

[yellow belly]

Like it, Farm say 1 to 1000 ac 100% of claimable rebate, 1001 to 2000 ac 1/2 the claimable %, 2001 ac upwards no rebate, slow up one or two of these land grabbers.

Then 4 partners will split their acres and get 4 allowances all acreage limits can be circumnavigated by 90 % of the large farmers

 

[Farma Parma]

Disagree charge plenty,
Presently quoting against another known quote, can’t get anywhere near, £15 k out,
Cannot see how they are doing the job for what they have quoted.

Sounds worse than Farmers son turning up with 150hp tractor & getting the work for £20/hr doesn't it.
We all know your loosing money on paper but them have a go hero's know better.
when in real world it wants to be double that minimum.

 

[Farma Parma]

a farm could have a max rebate per ac / head of stock that could compare to other similar businesses

its all quite possible - but like VAT im sure you could try defraud it if that way inclined ……. personally I don’t fancy prison however

you could run your pickup on red today if you have no respect for the law so what’s the difference?

Its funny you mention the pickup on the red there clive i heard of a pub tale where a farmers son got found out & his Dad hit the roof of course.
when things calmed down he said to his dad i'll pay the fine whatever it was a few hundred etc etc then he came clean, ive been doing it for that long its saved us £1,000's

 

[Brisel]

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[betweenthelines]

Rishi announced it in last years budget from April next year all construction loses the right to red diesel. They must have all red flushed through the system beforehand.
Only Agriculture and Rail will be allowed to continue using it.
It was probably one of those tax changes made in the book which accompanies the speech, so did not make headlines

Happy to be corrected.

Will construction firms now be buying up small farms so they can get access to Red?

 

[Heathland]

Me thinks the travelling community Christmases will have come all at once,if red goes on ag operations.
We did run a derv tank a number of years ago until one night 500 gals went missing,didn't touch the red stuff,I don't bother with the stuff now.
They steal the stuff from parked lorries think of all the tanks dotted about farm yards,left unattended.
They will literally have a field day........won't even need a sharp drill with all those plastic fuel tanks!
Its worth a ruddy fortune.

Police pull them over with white,how can they tell the difference.

Better security

 

[T7.wab]

Lime is going to be a good bit more next year

 

[Tubbylew]

I wouldn't like to guess at how many diggers,dumpers, mixers, roller, compactors, chippers etc. That there are on how many thousands of building sites in the uk, it makes the mind boggle with how many tanks they'll have to dip. Ho hum, not my problem I guess.

 

[michael N123]

Sounds worse than Farmers son turning up with 150hp tractor & getting the work for £20/hr doesn't it.
We all know your loosing money on paper but them have a go hero's know better.
when in real world it wants to be double that minimum.

I gave up leading silage apart from for a select few neighbours

bouncing around flat out to be told your£35 a hour bill is expensive is just annoying

 

[Barleymow]

The grain drying element is quite simple. Switch to kero. The price difference between red and zero is already in favour of kero, it's only the infrastructure on farms that keeps most using red for drying. Remove the lower duty level on gas oil and you will soon justify installing kerosene tanks for driers.

The break even point for drying between kerosene and gas oil is a 5% discount to make up for the lower calorific value of kero.

Get a bigger combine if you can't cut your crop in 5 days and when its wet your all doing it wrong

 

[Farma Parma]

I gave up leading silage apart from for a select few neighbours

bouncing around flat out to be told your£35 a hour bill is expensive is just annoying

id rather leave all my gear parked up for some of the rates contractors doing things at.

 

[essexpete]

Plenty of building sites will still be runnin red. Will the dippers really want to tramp thru mud to go dip the machines

The sources may not be so easy?

 

[michael N123]

id rather leave all my gear parked up for some of the rates contractors doing things at.

What I don’t understand is doing a job like that flat out for feck all but being steady away baling/ wrapping for 3x as much