glasshouse
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Rees mogg got about 7m to renovate his country pile
Effing nonsense
Contract farming agrements for 2020 season
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Effing nonsense
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i don't think handing money to large agribusiness will 'wash' either.....for instance if i decided to retire i could place my little lot in elms but if i needed to farm i'd have to 'employ' our local agribusiness to do it for me....a multi thousand acre outfit raking off from 100ac yeoman
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Large agribusiness will not be getting paid (directly) by Govt-he will be getting paid by 'yeoman'. He may also become unassailably powerful to the case that the yeoman is very much a number, not a free man-his turn will come in the massive workload. Will the agribusiness be viewed any different from the Duke of A****hole- possibly; the Duke's ancestors were used to being like that-Agribusiness principal was 'new money'. ie usually far worse at it & far more flash!
Are you able to share anymore info on your cropping / farming set up? Sounds a lean operation!
You are absolutely right about scale sweet spot and your Direct Driller article completely highlights attitudes that need to alter.Contract farming customers are happy to take risk when they feel there is none yet faced with the reality of a year like 2020 are good at throwing toys out the pram ! ......... truth is you can’t have your tax cake and eat it ! Trading risk means EXACTLY that
my biggest annoyance is they seem to believe rubbish talked by others about yields etc (see my article in the last Direct Driller magazine !)
Farmer Focus: Clive Bailye - Issuu
Fake news? Harvest 2020 was never going to be great, the perfect storm of a wet autumn and winter followed by a spring drought was always going to end in disappointment. When it came to yields any usual excitement and anticipation was replaced by simple desire to clear ground of such uninspiring...issuu.com
that said even in a year like 2020 a landowner should still have seen a positive return at harvest prices and now we are well over £200/t that return should be reasonable......... with bps how can a landowner not make a profit frankly when agreements have a landowner prior share ??? The looser is the contractor who will have little or no profit share this year, just his costs covered by his prior share, at least no one should actually be loosing money however
Going forward with ELMS I think a farmer is going to be an essential part of facilitating the claim
I can’t help think that an attitude shift re scale is required for many ? It’s the way a lot of farmers have tried to reduce fixed costs ( been there myself) yet truth is it rarely REALLY achieves that. Areas farmed (for food) will drop but so will the number of active farmers, I’ve turned down opportunities to take on additional land recently and I’m actually looking forward to not farming bits that really probably shouldn’t be farmed ....... that will improve my efficiency more than scale ever could, I plan to pick and choose who I contract farm for very carefully and I would never enter into a contract farm agreement where I could loose money ........ that would be crazy bad business
I watched the Michael Horsch Christmas interview recently and honestly was laughing at some of the comments they seemed so out of touch with were we are clearly going now
Re. The Michael Horsch fireside chat - it was a shame that he did most of the talking but he at least brought up some ‘alternative ag’ stories from around the globe - only one of the interviewees / contributors seemed to want to rewind the clock back to the 1980s I thought? I would have loved to have heard a bit more from Tom H...
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Contract farming customers are happy to take risk when they feel there is none yet faced with the reality of a year like 2020 are good at throwing toys out the pram ! ......... truth is you can’t have your tax cake and eat it ! Trading risk means EXACTLY that
my biggest annoyance is they seem to believe rubbish talked by others about yields etc (see my article in the last Direct Driller magazine !)
Farmer Focus: Clive Bailye - Issuu
Fake news? Harvest 2020 was never going to be great, the perfect storm of a wet autumn and winter followed by a spring drought was always going to end in disappointment. When it came to yields any usual excitement and anticipation was replaced by simple desire to clear ground of such uninspiring...
that said even in a year like 2020 a landowner should still have seen a positive return at harvest prices and now we are well over £200/t that return should be reasonable......... with bps how can a landowner not make a profit frankly when agreements have a landowner prior share ??? The looser is the contractor who will have little or no profit share this year, just his costs covered by his prior share, at least no one should actually be loosing money however
Going forward with ELMS I think a farmer is going to be an essential part of facilitating the claim
I can’t help think that an attitude shift re scale is required for many ? It’s the way a lot of farmers have tried to reduce fixed costs ( been there myself) yet truth is it rarely REALLY achieves that. Areas farmed (for food) will drop but so will the number of active farmers, I’ve turned down opportunities to take on additional land recently and I’m actually looking forward to not farming bits that really probably shouldn’t be farmed ....... that will improve my efficiency more than scale ever could, I plan to pick and choose who I contract farm for very carefully and I would never enter into a contract farm agreement where I could loose money ........ that would be crazy bad business
I watched the Michael Horsch Christmas interview recently and honestly was laughing at some of the comments they seemed so out of touch with were we are clearly going now
I didn't realise I was so off the pace! MTH
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Thank you, always keen for a chat!
not so much you Tom ! I enjoyed your input I think Janes maybe a little shocked by the next few years though !
and has he really packed in potatos already ? the losses on that massive kit he bought must be shocking
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Don't doubt I have a long way to go, big changes happing here though.
I believe that is JP's plan, and suger beet too.
Wasn’t the potato stuff someone else’s and he was just doing the work? He’s had 2 bad autumns on the bounce.
So has everyone else. And a drought in 2018, and a wet back end in 2017. For a man who prides himself on preparation and doing things well at scale, I admired his approach to the root job, and have to say I'm suprised he's pulled the stop so soon. If they were all freebuy he'll of had a kicking though, and it's certainly been a mettle tester these last few seasons.
I’m afraid the public shares that view about all farmers. They think we are all rich and owner occupiers are relative to the average taxpayer.
No he didn’t.
I assume you are referring to Wentworth Woodhouse. It’s got nothing to do with Rees Mogg. His wife’s family once owned it but not for 50 years. It’s now a charitable trust.
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Potatoes are maybe too much " next year Rodney" for some
glasshouse
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Its quite a magnificent building. Possibly the greatest of The Dukeries. And as Manny Shinwell dug up the flower beds a historic postscript to the rather ugly side of post war radical socialism - that could have developed further in the UK, save for the moderation and sensibilities of Clement Attlee, though of course you could say he was a champagne socialist. Shame the National Trust didn't take it on board but possibly too big a mouthful - they did though take on Brodsworth, just up the road. At times Glasshouse you come over as a bit of a 1917 Vandal
. In fact maybe you are Manny Shinwell reincarnated? Now theres a thought. Regards and best wishes, .There's plenty dived in deep....then had a sale.
The most profitable growers, averaged over time, are those growing under 100ac on their own land, mixed farms, basic kit, very little extra labour. Every acre above that dilutes profit per acre, slowly but surely.
You've got to be handy with the spanners, and not in a rush, but there's brass to be made.
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Sage like words !!
glasshouse
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These buildings leave me cold.Its quite a magnificent building. Possibly the greatest of The Dukeries. And as Manny Shinwell dug up the flower beds a historic postscript to the rather ugly side of post war radical socialism - that could have developed further in the UK, save for the moderation and sensibilities of Clement Attlee, though of course you could say he was a champagne socialist. Shame the National Trust didn't take it on board but possibly too big a mouthful - they did though take on Brodsworth, just up the road. At times Glasshouse you come over as a bit of a 1917 Vandal
I liken them to black holes, sucking in all the money from all around.
The last one i visited and i mean the last was castle howard