Corrugations

[Adeptandy]

Thoughts please.

Had planned on dipping the toe back into DD, had delivery of Metcalf coulters yesterday for the Simba Freeflow and planning on removing rows 1 & 3 to leave 2 rows of tines that will give me 250cm spacing for OSR.
Walked the fields this morning with the dogs and there's a lot of wheelings in my Black Peaty Fen soil ( combine, baler, chaser ) so I'm doubting I'll get the tines to reach the wheelings sufficiently to place seed. Did consider going across the wheelings, but will be a lot of turning. Diagonal will give me the same issues I'm guessing as going with the previous drilling. So, am I better just tickling the surface this year to level things up and going for DD next year with the W Wheat ( assuming CSFB lets me get a crop )

 

[Brisel]

My Claydon produces a lot of corrugation. I try & drill cover crops & break crops like osr on an angle to fill them in a bit. You don't need much angle. For what you've described, a tickle might help level the land up for wheelings though for osr the odd seed too deep or on the top won't matter plus CSFB apparently prefer more bare soil. How deep are the wheelings? If you accept a bit less % establishment could you put a bit more seed on to compensate? Farm saved or bought in pricey hybrid?

 

[Adeptandy]

30% brought in conventional and the rest FSS that will go on at 8-10 kg/ha

Wheelings 2-3" deep

 

[Brisel]

I'd keep the rates up - at least 50+ seeds/m2 and good forward speed to throw a bit of loose soil around for seed to soil contact. A good winter & earthworms will sort the wheelings out for you. Roll it well. Will a bit of extra seed be cheaper than an extra pass?

 

[HarryB97]

If you are going down the metcalf or strip till route drilling at an angle to tramlines really is essential to get level fields and accurate sead depth unless you have independant coulters, also helps with trash flow.

 

[Farmer Roy]

That's why all our locally built zero till machines have independent openers that follow the ground, rather than being a rigid frame with fixed height.

Back in the days when everyone was using modified chisel ploughs or cultivators as planters, with fixed tynes & before CTF became popular, it was common practice to plant at an angle to last years rows / wheel tracks for this very reason.
I personally would just plant at an angle to your he tracks, rather than go to the trouble, time & expense of another cultivation or "tickle" . . .

 

[Adeptandy]

Been at it today, mixed results. Where there was nice short stubble went well.
Long stubble, right pain, made quite a few mounds that i have had to go back to tonight with the power harrow to smooth off, think it will take a year or 2 before they disappear
Light scratch with the short disc, wasn't any help with the long stubble, bulldoze time again, been back and tried to power harrow the area's of long stubble hoping it may help. failing that, its going to have to be Fan Jet broadcast and Power Harrow in.

So, not a great start

 

[yellow belly]

If I get fresh land to start notill I would not start with osr
Spring barley then spring beans then wheat spring barley then rape ( but may not be growing rape )

 

[Adeptandy]

If I get fresh land to start notill I would not start with osr
Spring barley then spring beans then wheat spring barley then rape ( but may not be growing rape )

Took it Nov 17 after 10 years HLS grass, DD with JD 750a W Wheat ( 2t/a ) 18- subsoiled/light disc, drilled Vaddy W Barley (3.2t/a) 19- 2 fields DD ( Freeflow/Metcalf )and 2 fields have been lightly disced and then drilled with the Freeflow/Metcalfs results to follow Harvest 2020 ( asuming CSFB permitting )

 

[Badshot]

Few points.
1. Why take out row 1 and 3? To get the spacing i guess? Why not leave just one row? I've planted rape in 28 inch rows before and had 2 tonne an acre.
2.seed depth? Have you used the seed boot to blow the seed into the trench? No need to, take the tube off and cable tie it on so it blows it in the shadow of the leg, it's more likely to be at the right depth.
3. What wheelings? Think how much rape will cover over and decide if it is even necessary to get anything growing there anyway. I completely ignore super single wheelings as they are narrow enough to never see again as long as you are careful not to traffic a single area badly.
4. I double drilled an area this year, so.ended up.at 4.5kg, or 100 seeds, thought it looked best all year, only for it to go flat as buggery by harvest, rest stood well.
5. Rape compensates tremendously, pretty much a plant every step is a good enough stand for a crop.
6. Make sure you roll and pellet, it's more important than drilling.
7. Definitely go at an angle.
8. Loosening the stubble will make it worse.
9. Good luck ??
10. The first and most important thing when DD with a tine drill is to make a good job of combining , chop the trash and spread it well and drilling is a doddle. Never leave lumps , make sure to keep moving at all times when crop is going through.

 

[i dont belief it]

Thoughts please.

Had planned on dipping the toe back into DD, had delivery of Metcalf coulters yesterday for the Simba Freeflow and planning on removing rows 1 & 3 to leave 2 rows of tines that will give me 250cm spacing for OSR.
Walked the fields this morning with the dogs and there's a lot of wheelings in my Black Peaty Fen soil ( combine, baler, chaser ) so I'm doubting I'll get the tines to reach the wheelings sufficiently to place seed. Did consider going across the wheelings, but will be a lot of turning. Diagonal will give me the same issues I'm guessing as going with the previous drilling. So, am I better just tickling the surface this year to level things up and going for DD next year with the W Wheat ( assuming CSFB lets me get a crop )

Thick farmer question if you had used all 4 rows for the tines like a Horsch Sprinter would the trash have gone through or were the conditions to bad?

 

[Adeptandy]

Thick farmer question if you had used all 4 rows for the tines like a Horsch Sprinter would the trash have gone through or were the conditions to bad?

Wouldn't have even moved with 4 rows it was that bad, managed to repeatedly bung with 4 rows last year on close cut and baled wheat stubble.

 

[Farmer Roy]

that's the difference between UK / Euro "direct drill" equipment & Australian / North American / South American "zero till" equipment.

One of the primary requisites of our zero till planting equipment is high trash flow, lots of clearance & the ability to handling standing stubble & lots of residue. Otherwise, what point is it ?

 

[cows r us]

That's why all our locally built zero till machines have independent openers that follow the ground, rather than being a rigid frame with fixed height.

Back in the days when everyone was using modified chisel ploughs or cultivators as planters, with fixed tynes & before CTF became popular, it was common practice to plant at an angle to last years rows / wheel tracks for this very reason.
I personally would just plant at an angle to your he tracks, rather than go to the trouble, time & expense of another cultivation or "tickle" . . .

What companies opener is that? I've always fancied a tine drill to go along side our disc opener and that looks the part.

 

[Farmer Roy]

What companies opener is that? I've always fancied a tine drill to go along side our disc opener and that looks the part.

that one is from Boss, based near here at Inverell. You may be familiar with the Boss name with their partnership with Sly ?

Planter Frames - BOSS Agriculture

Explore our range of quality, Australian made planter frames, designed for a wide range of conditions and requirements.

www.bossagriculture.com.au

similar openers / row units are made by Excel Agriculture

Excel Agriculture for Row Crop & Broadacre Planter & Tillage Equipment

Excel Agriculture for Row-crop & Broad-acre planter & tillage equipment built for Australian farmers & Australian conditions

excelagr.com.au

or Janke

Janke Australia

Janke Australia - Manufacturers of Air Seeders, Broadacre and Row Crop Tillage Equipment

www.janke.com.au

among others

not tynes I know, but may be of interest, showing the diversity here

NDF Disc Planters | Welcome...

www.ndf.com.au

 

[Clive]

Why do people start with OSR ?

Without doubt it’s the hardest crop to zerotill

Do sone wheat after osr or beans - that’s real easy and always works

And remember it won’t work at all unless rotation and nutrition is adjusted to suite

 

[Adeptandy]

Why do people start with OSR ?

Without doubt it’s the hardest crop to zerotill

Do sone wheat after osr or beans - that’s real easy and always works

And remember it won’t work at all unless rotation and nutrition is adjusted to suite

Simple really to answer that one, quick way of getting OSR in with minimal soil moisture loss which at this time of year is another reason for crop failure in the dry east.

 

[Clive]

Simple really to answer that one, quick way of getting OSR in with minimal soil moisture loss which at this time of year is another reason for crop failure in the dry east.

I see the temptation but it is the hardest and most inconsistent dd crop in my experience do if or when it fails that’s often DD written off as viable in a farmers mind

Do some wheat as well and give it a proper go

 

[Adeptandy]

I see the temptation but it is the hardest and most inconsistent dd crop in my experience do if or when it fails that’s often DD written off as viable in a farmers mind

Do some wheat as well and give it a proper go

I plan to as soon as I get a disc drill

 

[Jack Russell]

We DD half our rape area in and subsoil the other half in. Rape I find easy to DD as we don’t lose moisture, and it’s quick. My fear of dd is with wheat or cereals as we would want to be drilling so late. The fear of a wet late October wins every time and so we cultivate.