Covid jab - is it compulsory?

[primmiemoo]

Very good, fingers crossed it's coming to an end.

Absolutely!

 

[tepapa]

at the end of the day all of us that have had the jab will be safe from the virus so in that case it’s only the unvaccinated that need to worry

Don't forget that those unvaccinated but have had covid and got over it will have natural immunity so they won't need to worry either.

 

[Ukjay]

People like to be right, without ever equiring into why they like to be right about everything

I like the what-if side of this debacle, what if we actually don't need to push back against this nearly as much as it is automatically assumed we need to be pushing?

I mean even the ivermectin thread has brick-laden handbags flying but it's all based on our supposed "need to wage war on the virus" when what I'm hearing is people being exhorted to be at war with one another

what if I choose to be vaccine-free and just get covid and leave it to my own body to ward it off, what is the point then about "trying to be right about it"?

Doing nothing is not finding much endorsement, because all these beliefs about putting others at risk come into it, despite that being a construct people can't see it

You've hit a few nails on the head there, and echoes what seems to happen everywhere due to ignorance for the most part.

Modern society needs spoonfeeding, and are not able to survive without this attachment to it, hence all the name calling and shoeboxing of one's who allign themselves with a different mindset.

 

[primmiemoo]

Don't forget that those unvaccinated but have had covid and got over it will have natural immunity so they won't need to worry either.

This is worth a listen in that context ~

BBC World Service - More or Less, Does catching Covid give you more immunity than being vaccinated?

Infection vs injection: Could Covid infection provide 27 times more protection?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[d williams]

Don't forget that those unvaccinated but have had covid and got over it will have natural immunity so they won't need to worry either.

Why this information is not forwarded is beyond me are people asked if they’d had Covid before jabs?????

 

[Daniel]

Yes I can see that but we do seem to be worse off than many other countries. Ok we do have a higher population figure than some others but I still am not sure this is what it actually is. Having had it twice then I have the antibodies so why should I be classed as a person without a covid passport.
Now it actually does not bother me presently because I wouldn't normally attend any events such as a concert or sports fixture and I have to say I am not bothered about travelling abroad presently. However I would be bothered if in January i can't go into a pub or restaurant for example or can't go to a theme park or zoo with the children. And what I will not tolerate is my children having to have the vaccine as for me its not an option in any way at all at the ages of 12 and 8. I kept my eldest off school the day the did the vaccines because they school were really pushing the children to have it via Gillick Competance. I have since learned that on that day out of 900 children in the school there was 440 off school. Of the remainder in school I have no idea if they did or did not have the vaccine but I think the talking to fellow parents I would go as far as saying maybe only 20% had it.

Don't forget that those unvaccinated but have had covid and got over it will have natural immunity so they won't need to worry either.

Until last week, anyone who had had a positive PCR test automatically got a 6 month covid pass on the NHS app, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated.

The government revoked that as part of the legislation voted through last week. The only way to get the passport now is through being double, and soon triple vaccinated.

Why would it do that? What does it matter whether someone has natural immunity or vaccinated immunity?

 

[Ukjay]

health secretary states unvaccinated account for 90% of those needing most care in hospitals

Of course they are, and I'm a billionaire

 

[40 series]

Until last week, anyone who had had a positive PCR test automatically got a 6 month covid pass on the NHS app, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated.

The government revoked that as part of the legislation voted through last week. The only way to get the passport now is through being double, and soon triple vaccinated.

Why would it do that? What does it matter whether someone has natural immunity or vaccinated immunity?

The government want control of you tjats why it has changed i think. We are in a lockdown but not an official lockdown.

 

[Ukjay]

so nationally does anyone know the % in high care that are unvaccinated

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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1041593/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-50.pdf

 

[Daniel]

Worth a read.

 

[Mouser]

Worth a read.View attachment 1004246

Don't get much common sense published these days, nice to see.

 

[melted welly]

Don't get much common sense published these days, nice to see.

And makes the point about following the advice from the vaccine producers.

For my agchem programmes, I’m a member of an independent agronomy group. I’m also in a benchmarking group. At one of the benchmarking meetings, a chap who used the services of a retained agronomist who also had total control of the purchasing put up his wheat figures. His variable costs were £759/ha, over double mine with the yield 0.7t/ha higher.

So for the extra £380/ha spent, he got a benefit of £130/ha . Bottom line they’d left him with a net margin of £7/ha on a wheat crop that yielded >10.5t/ha. He no longer uses that service.

It is important to take the advice of those with a vested interest in selling the products with a pinch of salt and I sincerely hope our leaders are doing so and that these boosters work for the common good and not just………..

Pfizer quarterly revenue 2010 - 2021.
Source: Statista.

 

[Mouser]

And makes the point about following the advice from the vaccine producers.

For my agchem programmes, I’m a member of an independent agronomy group. I’m also in a benchmarking group. At one of the benchmarking meetings, a chap who used the services of a retained agronomist who also had total control of the purchasing put up his wheat figures. His variable costs were £759/ha, over double mine with the yield 0.7t/ha higher.

So for the extra £380/ha spent, he got a benefit of £130/ha . Bottom line they’d left him with a net margin of £7/ha on a wheat crop that yielded >10.5t/ha. He no longer uses that service.

It is important to take the advice of those with a vested interest in selling the products with a pinch of salt and I sincerely hope our leaders are doing so and that these boosters work for the common good and not just………..

View attachment 1004262
Pfizer quarterly revenue 2010 - 2021.
Source: Statista.

Think its becoming increasingly clear science is only followed if it's taking the 'right' direction.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

You've hit a few nails on the head there, and echoes what seems to happen everywhere due to ignorance for the most part.

Modern society needs spoonfeeding, and are not able to survive without this attachment to it, hence all the name calling and shoeboxing of one's who allign themselves with a different mindset.

I think there are a few things in there to unpack... I'm not sure modern society does actually need spoonfeeding, people are actually quite brilliant if they are free to create.
However the dear old past gets in the way of that, people don't actually believe in just how great "right now" is, mainly because they are running commentaries and trying make sense of a day that has never existed before, through a lens of the past.

I mean, this drug thing we are all meant to get injected with "to keep us safe", it wouldn't have been called a vaccine 3 years ago. This would have been considered a radical social experiment.

However it's much easier to shove along when you call it "the new normal" and "a vaccine" because EVERYBODY knows about vaccines, vaccines stopped polio and rubella and 20-year-olds from getting mumps.
Thus, everyone has an already-always for vaccine-acceptance, and norms: 'vaccines are practically necessary for everyone, and I like fitting in with a majority usually'

Hence most of the armchair vaccine experts are right in what they know they know (vaccines are worth doing) but don't actually realise that what they are talking about this time is in the 'I don't actually know that I don't know' category - what are the long-term effects of being this blind to reality??

History suggests, someone makes you a slave.

Back to the spoonfeeding part - how many people in your circle actively tune out when the news comes on, or switches it off, or dispassionately observes conversations as an observer to learn and distinguish the intent of the words? I actually have a few, but by no means the majority.

Most people are completely fixated on "the media" telling them how to be, how to think, how to make sense of things, how bad society is getting, how much death in the world can be assigned to one thing, how the planet is going to pop

Standing here from nothing, that "covid pass" sure doesn't sound like freedom from anything - other than being freed of your freedom

 

[Mouser]

I think there are a few things in there to unpack... I'm not sure modern society does actually need spoonfeeding, people are actually quite brilliant if they are free to create.
However the dear old past gets in the way of that, people don't actually believe in just how great "right now" is, mainly because they are running commentaries and trying make sense of a day that has never existed before, through a lens of the past.

I mean, this drug thing we are all meant to get injected with "to keep us safe", it wouldn't have been called a vaccine 3 years ago. This would have been considered a radical social experiment.

However it's much easier to shove along when you call it "the new normal" and "a vaccine" because EVERYBODY knows about vaccines, vaccines stopped polio and rubella and 20-year-olds from getting mumps.
Thus, everyone has an already-always for vaccine-acceptance, and norms: 'vaccines are practically necessary for everyone, and I like fitting in with a majority usually'

Hence most of the armchair vaccine experts are right in what they know they know (vaccines are worth doing) but don't actually realise that what they are talking about this time is in the 'I don't actually know that I don't know' category - what are the long-term effects of being this blind to reality??

History suggests, someone makes you a slave.

Back to the spoonfeeding part - how many people in your circle actively tune out when the news comes on, or switches it off, or dispassionately observes conversations as an observer to learn and distinguish the intent of the words? I actually have a few, but by no means the majority.

Most people are completely fixated on "the media" telling them how to be, how to think, how to make sense of things, how bad society is getting, how much death in the world can be assigned to one thing, how the planet is going to pop

Standing here from nothing, that "covid pass" sure doesn't sound like freedom from anything - other than being freed of your freedom

Wish I could be arsed to write like that! Agree with it all.

 

[Trutti]

And makes the point about following the advice from the vaccine producers.

For my agchem programmes, I’m a member of an independent agronomy group. I’m also in a benchmarking group. At one of the benchmarking meetings, a chap who used the services of a retained agronomist who also had total control of the purchasing put up his wheat figures. His variable costs were £759/ha, over double mine with the yield 0.7t/ha higher.

So for the extra £380/ha spent, he got a benefit of £130/ha . Bottom line they’d left him with a net margin of £7/ha on a wheat crop that yielded >10.5t/ha. He no longer uses that service.

It is important to take the advice of those with a vested interest in selling the products with a pinch of salt and I sincerely hope our leaders are doing so and that these boosters work for the common good and not just………..

View attachment 1004262
Pfizer quarterly revenue 2010 - 2021.
Source: Statista.

Looks a bit like the wheat price graph….makes you think……should we just sell wheat for cost of production when there is a potential shortfall?

 

[Trutti]

Think its becoming increasingly clear science is only followed if it's taking the 'right' direction.

That’s a very big statement to make!

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Wish I could be arsed to right like that! Agree with it all.

Haha, the joy of being free to act and free to be in life, I don't even give a hoot what I think about what comes out anymore. I'm playing to win but not attached to winning.

I just chose getting the virus and getting over the virus, because I don't think I can get over what the vax group had decided.
Just like homicide and suicide, decide is the death of possibility

 

[Ukjay]

I think there are a few things in there to unpack... I'm not sure modern society does actually need spoonfeeding, people are actually quite brilliant if they are free to create.
However the dear old past gets in the way of that, people don't actually believe in just how great "right now" is, mainly because they are running commentaries and trying make sense of a day that has never existed before, through a lens of the past.

I mean, this drug thing we are all meant to get injected with "to keep us safe", it wouldn't have been called a vaccine 3 years ago. This would have been considered a radical social experiment.

However it's much easier to shove along when you call it "the new normal" and "a vaccine" because EVERYBODY knows about vaccines, vaccines stopped polio and rubella and 20-year-olds from getting mumps.
Thus, everyone has an already-always for vaccine-acceptance, and norms: 'vaccines are practically necessary for everyone, and I like fitting in with a majority usually'

Hence most of the armchair vaccine experts are right in what they know they know (vaccines are worth doing) but don't actually realise that what they are talking about this time is in the 'I don't actually know that I don't know' category - what are the long-term effects of being this blind to reality??

History suggests, someone makes you a slave.

Back to the spoonfeeding part - how many people in your circle actively tune out when the news comes on, or switches it off, or dispassionately observes conversations as an observer to learn and distinguish the intent of the words? I actually have a few, but by no means the majority.

Most people are completely fixated on "the media" telling them how to be, how to think, how to make sense of things, how bad society is getting, how much death in the world can be assigned to one thing, how the planet is going to pop

Standing here from nothing, that "covid pass" sure doesn't sound like freedom from anything - other than being freed of your freedom

By spoonfeeding, the pretext of 'need' may draw an incorrect point I was inferring, and yes - the world doesn't 'Need' it perse, however - it does 'want it' and takes it in general society.
People have become lazy and want everything provided with little or no effort from their part on the whole, even in everyday lives the world is becoming lazy on mass, and the only time a good number of people (not all) get wound up is when their phone does not work to get their social media fix etc.

Not many people I know of have actually bothered to read further into the numbers or dared question the validity of the Govt drive in this storm, simply plod along believing everythng that is being put out there, and if anyone dares question the Govt - they are treated as Anti's etc, which sadly has become the norm for anyone who has the audacity to say hang on, something doesn't quite stack up here and look deeper.

 

[primmiemoo]

It is difficult to see the perspective of someone who has only ever known one party in power. I have to remind myself of my childhood when there last was a Labour government! The 1970s are receding into history!