Covid jab - is it compulsory?

[primmiemoo]

And may I ask what that is supposed to or intended to mean - as like many things in todays society, people talking riddles vs actually standing up and speaking with clarity, are perpetuating misunderstandings?

No riddles from me. There's more to the world than office speak and templates.

 

[Ukjay]

No riddles from me. There's more to the world than office speak and templates.

So enlighten us then as to what were you inferring with your post, as you were talking about several points then talked about maritime agencies, but you say no riddle..

 

[primmiemoo]

So enlighten us then as to what were you inferring with your post, as you were talking about several points then talked about maritime agencies, but you say no riddle..

They're the Maritime and Coastguard Agency as professionals, with the mixture of professionals and volunteers in the RNLI. No riddles

 

[Ukjay]

They're the Maritime and Coastguard Agency as professionals, with the mixture of professionals and volunteers in the RNLI. No riddles

Erm, what has that got to do with Covid?

 

[primmiemoo]

Erm, what has that got to do with Covid?

Well, the comparisons can't be parallels, but there are simple similarities, don't you think? True parallels are within epidemiology of animals, but they seem to be difficult to grasp for, let's say, those who aren't involved with animals. I can't think of any commercial crops that can be immunised ~ although I'm happy to learn more if that takes place.

 

[Ukjay]

Well, the comparisons can't be parallels, but there are simple similarities, don't you think? True parallels are within epidemiology of animals, but they seem to be difficult to grasp for, let's say, those who aren't involved with animals. I can't think of any commercial crops that can be immunised ~ although I'm happy to learn more if that takes place.

You're still talking riddles if I'm being honest - your statements have shown nothing to do with topic of conversation that I can gleen from it, and I believe you are purposely trying to be that way.
I'm out, as it isnt worth the time to try and unpick your post into something meaningful.

 

[primmiemoo]

You're still talking riddles if I'm being honest - your statements have shown nothing to do with topic of conversation that I can gleen from it, and I believe you are purposely trying to be that way.
I'm out, as it isnt worth the time to try and unpick your post into something meaningful.

No, not at all, and I'm sorry we don't seem to be on a similar wavelength. Have a good evening

 

[Kiwi Pete]

The below UK Gov Covid reports also do not appear to show that unvaxed vs vaxed are more likely to require hospitalisation / die from covid for reported cases from what I can see (and prior reports similarly so), therefore I personally cannot see what the continued push to get the unvaxed vaccinated is for, as it doesn't stack up to me now reading the data.
We can still catch / pass onto others / die if jabbed and boosted - the same as if im not vaxed, and looking at it - it seemingly appears less likely to die overall if unvaxed..?

From my perspective, we just need to get on with lives and stop continuing this mass hysteria and trying to force people who do not wish to be vaccinted into being cohersed into having to do so imho.


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People like to be right, without ever equiring into why they like to be right about everything

I like the what-if side of this debacle, what if we actually don't need to push back against this nearly as much as it is automatically assumed we need to be pushing?

I mean even the ivermectin thread has brick-laden handbags flying but it's all based on our supposed "need to wage war on the virus" when what I'm hearing is people being exhorted to be at war with one another

what if I choose to be vaccine-free and just get covid and leave it to my own body to ward it off, what is the point then about "trying to be right about it"?

Doing nothing is not finding much endorsement, because all these beliefs about putting others at risk come into it, despite that being a construct people can't see it

 

[Jones wales]

As a farmer we give our sheep an annual booster of heptavac p + which is a clostridial vaccine. Now if we changed from heptavac p + to covexin 8 would this work as a booster to the heptavac p+ ? I don’t see how it would be compatible.
The next question i ask is how come if you had the moderna vaccine to start then , have the Pfizer one to follow and then something else the 3rd time . How can this work as these are 3 different vaccines made in 3 different laboratories.
Can someone please explain to me as I don’t quiet get it .
Thanks in advance .

 

[primmiemoo]

Tagging on, These two tables are from elsethread, and might be of use.

 

[Macsky]

People like to be right, without ever equiring into why they like to be right about everything

I like the what-if side of this debacle, what if we actually don't need to push back against this nearly as much as it is automatically assumed we need to be pushing?

I mean even the ivermectin thread has brick-laden handbags flying but it's all based on our supposed "need to wage war on the virus" when what I'm hearing is people being exhorted to be at war with one another

what if I choose to be vaccine-free and just get covid and leave it to my own body to ward it off, what is the point then about "trying to be right about it"?

Doing nothing is not finding much endorsement, because all these beliefs about putting others at risk come into it, despite that being a construct people can't see it

Very hard to have a debate I find, if you question what people are saying it is automatically taken as an attack, and that you’re trying to win an argument when you are genuinely just asking probing questions.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Very hard to have a debate I find, if you question what people are saying it is automatically taken as an attack, and that you’re trying to win an argument when you are genuinely just asking probing questions.

I don't mind what people are saying, just surprised what few are actually capable of "seeing" - that most all sides of the debate are based around stuff that's just been obtained and regurgitated to reinforce a standpoint about the best way to deal with a virus

in my experience with viruses in my life, the most effective thing to do is just live your life and enjoy wellness, instead of taking it for granted. Then when you get sick, you are much better placed to deal with that.

if you don't let the past get in the way of today, right now, then there is a pretty good chance there is little point arguing about how best to kill a dead thing with various drugs based on things found on the internet


If everybody reading that is now hoping covid kills me, just for getting in the way of their own story, ask yourself why that is?

 

[primmiemoo]

As a farmer we give our sheep an annual booster of heptavac p + which is a clostridial vaccine. Now if we changed from heptavac p + to covexin 8 would this work as a booster to the heptavac p+ ? I don’t see how it would be compatible.
The next question i ask is how come if you had the moderna vaccine to start then , have the Pfizer one to follow and then something else the 3rd time . How can this work as these are 3 different vaccines made in 3 different laboratories.
Can someone please explain to me as I don’t quiet get it .
Thanks in advance .

I can try to answer your second question ~ this talks about the 3 types of vaccines ~

COVID-19 vaccines

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk

 

[Jones wales]

Still don’t quiet see how it all intertwined.
Its also a bit odd how after saying that the vaccine wouldn’t work against the Omecron strain , they are now telling us all to get another boozer to stop the spread of Omecron. Does a jab and a booster not do as an annual cover ?
When will all this nonsense stop .

 

[primmiemoo]

Still don’t quiet see how it all intertwined.
Its also a bit odd how after saying that the vaccine wouldn’t work against the Omecron strain , they are now telling us all to get another boozer to stop the spread of Omecron. Does a jab and a booster not do as an annual cover ?
When will all this nonsense stop .

These are certainly unusual times! We're invited for boosters because enough is known about omicron to know it is more transmissible. It isn't unusual for a course of vaccinations to need two, or three vaccinations to gain immunity ~ like the primary and booster for heptavac p+, really. The second booster has been brought forward for all because of omicron.

The vaccines do work, but a person's immune system needs to be sharp enough to recognise and deal with omicron. Two jabs of one type of vaccine followed by a booster that's slightly different helps that process of recognition and ability to fend it off. Where a person has natural immunity from another variant, the vaccines help support that immunity.

 

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health secretary states unvaccinated account for 90% of those needing most care in hospitals

 

[Jones wales]

Yes but viruses mutate and vaccines become unresponsive.
One vaccine can’t cure all .
The thing is when will they be wanting us to have the next booster !!

 

[Mouser]

Tagging on, These two tables are from elsethread, and might be of use.

Do you actually still believe that the vaccine is 80% effective against infection?

 

[Jones wales]

Do you believe everything these ministers and the BBC come out with ?
They said a few weeks ago too that the vaccine wouldn’t work against omecron.

health secretary states unvaccinated account for 90% of those needing most care in hospitals

 

[Courier]