Cultivating- subsoiler or joker first?

[mo!]

Is the reputation of the Trio down to the fashion for ever bigger tractors on a 3m machine working at greater and greater speeds? We have a T7.210 on a 2.5m and travel at about 8k. It is fitted with Metcalfe NG legs and they barely make a mark on the surface, certainly no mixing.

 

[fudge]

Only reason I like to do the subsoil first is that if it's dry enough to subsoil, chances are I will bring up Lumps, and these can be chopped up with the next passes.

Roll.

Do what this it will work best. Do it ASAP and leave alone for as long as possible.

 

[dirty harry]

Yes there’s bits (not all) needs “lifting”, I love our sumo it does a great job but also mixes blackgrass well! The joker is great for top 2-3”.
Want to keep as much blackgrass seed on top as possible & lift certain areas, plough not an option for a few more years on these fields - again due to potential blackgrass .
Will go with joker, ld subsoiler & joker again- same sort of outcome as sumo/joker , same sort of time/cost & hopefully less blackgrass mixed up.
Don’t worry plough fans we’ll still be doing plenty of ploughing catching up where we couldn’t last year as too hard & also what’s due this time!!
Cheers for replies, dh

 

[whiddy]

Will 1594 thank you , Is that a newish terminator, as the one's I have seen have the wheels at the back.
Are yours 500 or 600 disc's
Any space to put paddle boards in front of the packer?
Are Brock's the only dealer for TWB.
Thanks for pic's!

 

[nick...]

Go direct to TWB.im sure they still sell handler brackets direct
Nick...

 

[Brisel]

Terry Birch (TWB) can do bespoke machines too.

http://www.twbmachinery.co.uk/Homepage.html

Philip Watkins too. http://www.philipwatkins.co.uk/index.html

 

[snarling bee]

That's why I like the Simba SLD. Discs before and after the loosening tines.

 

[Two Tone]

Recreational cultivations, anybody?

 

[Brisel]

Recreational cultivations, anybody?

These have a purpose

 

[Will 1594]

Will 1594 thank you , Is that a newish terminator, as the one's I have seen have the wheels at the back.
Are yours 500 or 600 disc's
Any space to put paddle boards in front of the packer?
Are Brock's the only dealer for TWB.
Thanks for pic's!

600 discs you could put any thing you want in front of 800 mm packer , plenty of room or if you have one made just makes chassis a bit longer to suit , you could put paddle board in , deal direct with terry , if your after one , go see him after harvest when he quieter , his yard is a chaos and organised disorder , you will not break it ,
Seen 875 cat brought down with 7 legs in 3.5 metre machine and had done 10000 acre with it and not a crack or weld pull on it

 

[Brisel]

Are his subsoiler legs stronger these days? A neighbour of mine had a 7 leg subsoiler from him a long time ago & the legs splayed out.

 

[Will 1594]

Are his subsoiler legs stronger these days? A neighbour of mine had a 7 leg subsoiler from him a long time ago & the legs splayed out.

Not had any problems yet , where they the old subtiller design ,

 

[whiddy]

Recreational cultivations, anybody?

We call that ploughing!

 

[ajd132]

Dig a hole

 

[Longneck]

Dig a hole

Why do you assume that he hasn’t already done this??
Have you actually read the thread?
He’s asking if it’s best to subsoil before or after Joker. He has already made the decision to subsoil, that is not the question.
If you haven’t got anything useful to add then don’t bother!!

 

[ajd132]

Why do you assume that he hasn’t already done this??
Have you actually read the thread?
He’s asking if it’s best to subsoil before or after Joker. He has already made the decision to subsoil, that is not the question.
If you haven’t got anything useful to add then don’t bother!!

Imagine being this offended by the words ‘dig a hole’.

 

[Foxcover]

Joker first, try get a chit then sumo. Trio goes better into a bit of filth on heavy clay

 

[Brisel]

Why do you assume that he hasn’t already done this??
Have you actually read the thread?
He’s asking if it’s best to subsoil before or after Joker. He has already made the decision to subsoil, that is not the question.
If you haven’t got anything useful to add then don’t bother!!

You'd be surprised at how many don't use a spade before sticking large amounts of steel in the ground regardless of whether it is actually needed or not, nor whether the soil moisture is suitable. That wasn't a daft statement you jumped on.

 

[Fish]

You'd be surprised at how many don't use a spade before sticking large amounts of steel in the ground regardless of whether it is actually needed or not, nor whether the soil moisture is suitable. That wasn't a daft statement you jumped on.
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Let face it, 80% of all subsoiling done is a waste of time and effort, and the other 20% is fairly doubtful.

 

[Longneck]

You'd be surprised at how many don't use a spade before sticking large amounts of steel in the ground regardless of whether it is actually needed or not, nor whether the soil moisture is suitable. That wasn't a daft statement you jumped on.

I know there are lots of people that never actually use a spade. But my point is that’s not the question here.

Not interested in getting into an argument just felt that the “use a spade” comment was a bit pointless.