'Current subsidies are funding in-efficient farming' - Micheal Gove (Chat away)

Discussion in 'Agricultural Matters' started by A.P.N Somerset, Jan 11, 2018.

  1. Why is it that Mr Gove is able to make such broad assumptions upon the efficiency and sustainability of 'any' business receiving current funding? Somewhat of an insult surely.....
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  2. Because he can, he and others like him are never held to account.
    What does he mean by inefficient farming?
    He wouldn't know.
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  3. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Owaka, New Zealand
    I've yet to see any politician of any nationality worth what they are paid by the taxpayer.

    Must be a tough job
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  4. Old Tip

    Old Tip Member

    Poor Gove is a serial liar and promoter of half truths, just look at all his claims in the run up to the Brexit vote. The likes of him won’t have a clue about agriculture and his speech will have been used to gain him brownie points with his boss so he can climb the ladder again
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  5. Dog&stick

    Dog&stick Member

    Like to see him , in a hole repairing water pipe underneah the cow yard!
    Sounds like " the war ag" be coming back:scratchhead:
    I make my own coffee , in a freebie mug iv managed not to break for last 20 years
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  6. Raider112

    Raider112 Member

    Wouldn't believe a word he says. Comes across as a slimy little toad and he showed his true colours in the leadership election. Did he actually believe he could act as he did and that MPs would vote for him? Deluded man.
  7. colhonk

    colhonk Member

    As above post. plus, did he not just about ruined education when he was incharge of that.
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  8. PSQ

    PSQ Member

    Scottish Borders

    It would be a diabolical insult if it wasn't (at least in part) true.
    Are you trying to say that a proportion of (frankly) sh!t farmers using outdated practices aren't being maintained as 'Zombie Businesses' by the SFP?

    It would also be 'better form' if the OP's on these politician bashing / brexit bashing threads would quote a source and a link to the original text / article, as it would give a bit of context to whatever phrase has 'offended' the OP.
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  9. S J H

    S J H Member

    Because it's correct. Subsidy breeds inefficiencies imo.
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  10. Tarw Coch

    Tarw Coch Member

    So scrap subsidies and the inefficient will wither away.
    Be interesting to see how many can survive and make realistic profits on world markets.

    30 years ago a guy I knew in haulage used to say "you have to have the hard times to get rid of the opposition" I'm sure he didn't think when he said it that one day he'd be part of that opposition.
    I wonder how many who think they're efficient won't last.
  11. In some cases- yes, however you are placing a net over the whole industry, there are many businesses that are using the subsidy to help farm better and more efficiently, you seem to think that all subsidies are used and spent on creating a business that is less sustainable.
  12. milkloss

    milkloss Member

    East Sussex
    Perhaps he’s suggesting subsidies are themselves inefficient? Some farmers might spend it on a holiday or build a swimming pool which is not supporting ag.
  13. Fuzzy

    Fuzzy Member

    So do you see yourself as being Inefficient ?
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  14. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    ZumerZet Somerset
    I was wondering that
    inefficient at what
    what do they want, grow more and sell for less ?
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  15. Against_the_grain

    I agree with the fact that subsidies as a whole can make businesses/industries less efficient but please dont put down the farmers that have the nouse to run a successful business and still have the ability to go on holiday god forbid! Its not illegal to make money you know.....even though it appears some in this industry are unable to.
  16. milkloss

    milkloss Member

    East Sussex
    I reckon this might have been covered in a few other threads :). Ignore my last sentence then and try again.
  17. Happy

    Happy Member

    Spot on.
    I said on here a couple of years ago that the man oozes incincerity.
    Slimy little toad probably more apt given his actions since.

    Countless threads on here about what he's said about this and about that the past couple of months but can you believe a word of it at this stage?

    Certainly wouldn't be basing any long term business decisions based on anything from him just yet that's for sure.

    The most worrying aspect of the broad assumptions he's been making in recent weeks is that it is increasingly obvious what lobby groups have his ear and it certainly isn't any farmer led ones.
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  18. RobFZS

    RobFZS Member


    I can only hope alot of this is investments that will pay back itself in years to come...
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  19. PSQ

    PSQ Member

    Scottish Borders
    It's hard to tell if that's a graph showing a £1 billion 'pulse' in borrowing every 1st December (SFP),

    - or an ECG trace showing a patient about to 'flatline' :dead:
  20. 5312

    5312 Member

    The majority of politicians are pretty useless, most of what they do bring very few benefits to the people they are supposed to be serving.

    Also, while most farmers try hard to do better and increase efficiency there are also a load who do very little, are pretty crap farmers and have a fairly easy life living off the subsidies.

    It would be better for younger entrants if these left the industry.

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