DD spring beans

[Brisel]

Not having any experience with the evil weed yet, would a gramincide with astro kerb stacked have a strong effect on it or is that a losing battle ?

The only special things about Astrokerb are the price and weed spectrum. Straight propyzamide is cheaper, does the grass species but only a few broad leafed weeds. Yes, a contact graminicide would strengthen the control but in the disturbed soil where the tines run you’ll have deeper rooted blackgrass that Kerb will do less of. Strip tillage DD does not help cure a grass weed burden. The rotation does.

 

[juke]

The only special things about Astrokerb are the price and weed spectrum. Straight propyzamide is cheaper, does the grass species but only a few broad leafed weeds. Yes, a contact graminicide would strengthen the control but in the disturbed soil where the tines run you’ll have deeper rooted blackgrass that Kerb will do less of. Strip tillage DD does not help cure a grass weed burden. The rotation does.

Yea I agree with that regarding strip till for grass weeds, just wasn't sure what the plan of attack would be on the black grass. We have 99 percent won the war against rats tailed fescue now ,due to a much improved rotation .

 

[Brisel]

Disturbing the soil at drilling time isn't good practice ime

Strip till isn’t a bad stepping stone into no till. At least you’re not mixing all the blackgrass seed throughout the soil profile, just where the leading tines are that break the shallow pan layers that can occur until the worm populations build that do this for you. In a “min till” situation you’d have an even carpet of grass weeds across the entire surface and more emerging throughout the season from depth.

 

[jonnyjon]

Strip till isn’t a bad stepping stone into no till. At least you’re not mixing all the blackgrass seed throughout the soil profile, just where the leading tines are that break the shallow pan layers that can occur until the worm populations build that do this for you. In a “min till” situation you’d have an even carpet of grass weeds across the entire surface and more emerging throughout the season from depth.

True, but if you gently lift the soil after harvest and scratch the surface at the same time you achieve the same or better results and need no specialist machinery. A good cover crop will do an even better job, a win win imo

 

[Fred]

Think @Fred has DD ed spring beans?

I have and unless you are a hardcore direct driller, I wouldn't bother they never yield anywhere near the cultivated ones .

 

[SilliamWhale]

Been 750 ing beans in for a few years now. They always seem to establish well

 

[snarling bee]

Been 750 ing beans in for a few years now. They always seem to establish well

You said establish well. What was the yield? Beans are the last crop I would DD without a deep tine in front

 

[juke]

You said establish well. What was the yield? Beans are the last crop I would DD without a deep tine in front

we put some of our beans in without using the leading leg on the claydon, they look decent at the minute

 

[Clive]

You said establish well. What was the yield? Beans are the last crop I would DD without a deep tine in front

had some cracking results behind our 750a

in fact last year was the first below parr year really ......... but that was down to establishment

what is a deep tine doing if your soil structure is good ?

 

[SilliamWhale]

You said establish well. What was the yield? Beans are the last crop I would DD without a deep tine in front

2t acre is achieved. Even aftet sheep mobbed the land after turnips. As ever soil structure and type depends...

 

[fudge]

I don't understand the dogma in this debate. If the land is too wet for drilling some tillage to facilitate drying is a very good idea. Personally I would not attempt spring cropping on our marsh ground without ploughing it the previous autumn. The increased speed of spring drying is an overwhelming advantage IMO.

 

[Will Blackburn]

I don't understand the dogma in this debate. If the land is too wet for drilling some tillage to facilitate drying is a very good idea. Personally I would not attempt spring cropping on our marsh ground without ploughing it the previous autumn. The increased speed of spring drying is an overwhelming advantage IMO.

And disadvantage.

 

[fudge]

And disadvantage.

Not on our ground.

 

[Fish]

Spring beans going in today