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[Christoph1945]

I think it's important to distinguish exercise from things like walking round checking the sheep or crop walking. You can combine the two but exercise does need to be something that raises your heart rate, gets your lungs going and needs a bit of concentration/determination to do for you to get the full benefits for your mental well being imo.

I'm off to look for the "Holistic" link now @Angus .

Spot on there Granny,

Kenneth H Cooper in his book Aerobics says exactly that and by scientific research has discovered just how much exercise is enough to be of real benefit; be it walking, running, cycling, or even swimming. Of course, work routine is oft beneficial to our minds and our bodies but regular aerobic exercise takes things up a step. Hey up; there's good title for a book 'Step out of depression'!

 

[Chae1]

My ex? Lol no

Usual tff solution is to boff her sister!

 

[GrannyAching]

A bit the opposite of the theme of exercise but here's today's pick. We've often talked about the value of dogs but any animal enjoying a fuss at our hands is also a great way to raise your positive hormones. Lots of my ewes are complete fuss pots.

 

[GrannyAching]

Usual tff solution is to boff her sister!

Which is where the "You're all so emotionally literate and caring" line falls down.

 

[Christoph1945]

Shouldn't be too bad and give me something to think about! Will be enough of us helping. But yes it's another thing to worry about!

Not wishing to 'badger' you good folk but how long does it take before you know the results of the TB tests and can you ask for a retest if in doubt?

 

[Angus]

I agree @GrannyAching about raising ones heart rate. Devon, as most know is full of hills and I really enjoyed having a go at cycling. Time, COPD and age conspire to make this difficult for me to do now - excuses I know.
We have just gathered our small herd of cattle for our annual TB test, and running up the hills whilst calling them in was a challenge, well sixty or seventy yards at a time. It certainly got my heart going!

Regarding the " Holistic " section, I Iook in from time to time. I am only up to June on the Holistic grazing- the thread I read. I thought it might help in some way for others to look into, for an alternative way of doing things. Working hard for little reward can be a grind, it does some days look like a race to the bottom, anyways I always appreciate the good sense and sentiments shared in this thread, so thank you to all the contributors, Angus.

 

[Angus]

Not wishing to 'badger' you good folk but how long does it take before you know the results of the TB tests and can you ask for a retest if in doubt?

Instantly on the reading day. The animal can either pass the test, fail the test or get an inconclusive result . Failing the test is bad, inconclusive is not good. I believe there is no appeal, the animals fate is sealed the moment the vet examines it, hope this helps Angus.

 

[GrannyAching]

I agree @GrannyAching about raising ones heart rate. Devon, as most know is full of hills and I really enjoyed having a go at cycling. Time, COPD and age conspire to make this difficult for me to do now - excuses I know.
We have just gathered our small herd of cattle for our annual TB test, and running up the hills whilst calling them in was a challenge, well sixty or seventy yards at a time. It certainly got my heart going!

Regarding the " Holistic " section, I Iook in from time to time. I am only up to June on the Holistic grazing- the thread I read. I thought it might help in some way for others to look into, for an alternative way of doing things. Working hard for little reward can be a grind, it does some days look like a race to the bottom, anyways I always appreciate the good sense and sentiments shared in this thread, so thank you to all the contributors, Angus.

Battling physical deterioration is no fun! I wrecked the ligaments under one foot years ago did everything to get them sorted and they've been great until this year when they just went again. I've done all the physio and used the supports but I've had to admit my running and high impact dancing days are over. I enjoy a good walk up the mountain but it's still not quite the same for me. I'm learning to cut my cloth accordingly though. I think it's worse due to no gym access this year (where I could cross train etc) or for the foreseeable because I have to stay pretty sheilded. But I'm getting there.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Not wishing to 'badger' you good folk but how long does it take before you know the results of the TB tests and can you ask for a retest if in doubt?

The cattle are injected in the neck with 2 types of TB serum on one day. 2 days later the size of the reaction lumps is measured and the difference between the 2 reactions gives you your result. There is an interpretation chart for the result. There is no appeal. If it's a fail, you're under restriction and the animal is killed. If it's "inconclusive" the animal is restricted and retested 60 days later. If it retests clear it's ok. If inconclusive a second time it's killed as a precaution and the herd is restricted.

Once a herd is restricted it is tested every 60 days until the whole herd goes clear twice in succession and again a year later.

 

[Christoph1945]

Instantly on the reading day. The animal can either pass the test, fail the test or get an inconclusive result . Failing the test is bad, inconclusive is not good. I believe there is no appeal, the animals fate is sealed the moment the vet examines it, hope this helps Angus.

How times have changed! I once worked with an ex-serviceman who started his working life as second man on a steam lorry and also worked in an abattoir and he described how, upon dismembering some beasts, they often saw TB diseased sections of the carcass but just cut them away and sent the rest forward for consumption (if you pardon the pun)

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

How times have changed! I once worked with an ex-serviceman who started his working life as second man on a steam lorry and also worked in an abattoir and he described how, upon dismembering some beasts, they often saw TB diseased sections of the carcass but just cut them away and sent the rest forward for consumption (if you pardon the pun)

And every county had a TB sanatorium....

 

[Christoph1945]

The cattle are injected in the neck with 2 types of TB serum on one day. 2 days later the size of the reaction lumps is measured and the difference between the 2 reactions gives you your result. There is an interpretation chart for the result. There is no appeal. If it's a fail, you're under restriction and the animal is killed. If it's "inconclusive" the animal is restricted and retested 60 days later. If it retests clear it's ok. If inconclusive a second time it's killed as a precaution and the herd is restricted.

Once a herd is restricted it is tested every 60 days until the whole herd goes clear twice in succession and again a year later.

And who pays for all that and are you copensated for the loss of any animal that are put down?

 

[Angus]

Battling physical deterioration is no fun! I wrecked the ligaments under one foot years ago did everything to get them sorted and they've been great until this year when they just went again. I've done all the physio and used the supports but I've had to admit my running and high impact dancing days are over. I enjoy a good walk up the mountain but it's still not quite the same for me. I'm learning to cut my cloth accordingly though. I think it's worse due to no gym access this year (where I could cross train etc) or for the foreseeable because I have to stay pretty sheilded. But I'm getting there.

Sorry to hear the," high impact dancing days are over "GrannyAching and cutting ones cloth seems to be the order of the day., Angus.

 

[Christoph1945]

Not to be outsmarted by a couple of old feet Granny; how about a bike, a static cycle, or even swimming?

 

[GrannyAching]

Not to be outsmarted by a couple of old feet Granny; how about a bike, a static cycle, or even swimming?

Swimming is a no all the time covid is around no matter how careful the gym staff are. Ditto the gym due to shielding type needs for me and mine. Swimming in the sea really doesn't appeal although it's on the possible lust. I've got a bike and rollers but neither do much for me and at the minute peddling dies not help the ligament strengthening.

 

[Digger73]

Still here but we are past the point of no return still lots of things going on in my head

 

[Christoph1945]

Granny,

We have a static exercise bike set up but I do find it boring without a bit of my favourite music in the background and only this week have set up my wife's old laptop to play videos; the plan being to, perhaps, watch a video whilst exercising.

 

[Christoph1945]

Still here but we are past the point of no return still lots of things going on in my head

Would you care to clarify a little more; if only for this Dumbo townie?

 

[primmiemoo]

Which is where the "You're all so emotionally literate and caring" line falls down.

But doesn't the occasional dip into kindly dark humour precipitate a chuckle, sometimes?

 

[GrannyAching]

Tje

Still here but we are past the point of no return still lots of things going on in my head

Thanks for checking in. I'm sorry to hear it's all become so definite so quickly.

Communication is still going to be essential to keep bitterness and recriminations to a minimum. If you've still got feelings to express, it's important that you make sure they are said in a calm atmosphere.

It's hard to "stay friends" but it is possible not to end up with hate.

Here is you need to chat.