Dear Donald (Tusk)

[Bankville]

As I understand it the EU would not allow this unless the UK also accepted free movement and the Customs Union rules and superiority of the European Courts...which hardly squares with leaving

If I recall correctly the question on the ballot paper was should the uk leave the eu or remain...
The question wasn't should the uk leave the eu, eec and the single market or remain.

 

[Ashtree]

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@JohnGalway Those last two posts are absolute and utter tripe. It bothers you immensely. Nobody spends as much time as you do on this one particular item unless they are deeply concerned about it. You post several times a day on Brexit matters.

Now speaking of tripe. You run a highly efficient tripe and two faced trollop production line. From where. Slap bang in the EU
Standing on the sidelines behind a very secure wall of sand bags. Playing both sides. Covering your ass. Urging on others to jump out of the trench and run across no mans land. Brexit requires proper Brits with resolve and stiff upper lip fighting the good fight from Lands End to John O Groats.
Plastic Brits swanning around in the olive groves of Portugal simply don't cut it.

 

[linga]

If I recall correctly the question on the ballot paper was should the uk leave the eu or remain...
The question wasn't should the uk leave the eu, eec and the single market or remain.

If our laws are subject to control and overturn by the EU then can it be said we have left the EU ?

 

[Henarar]

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Now speaking of tripe. You run a highly efficient tripe and two faced trollop production line. From where. Slap bang in the EU
Standing on the sidelines behind a very secure wall of sand bags. Playing both sides. Covering your ass. Urging on others to jump out of the trench and run across no mans land. Brexit requires proper Brits with resolve and stiff upper lip fighting the good fight from Lands End to John O Groats.
Plastic Brits swanning around in the olive groves of Portugal simply don't cut it.

been over this one

 

[Bankville]

If our laws are subject to control and overturn by the EU then can it be said we have left the EU ?

I don't see any mention of laws regarding access to the single market
https://www.ft.com/content/1688d0e4-15ef-11e6-b197-a4af20d5575e
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Single_Market

Perhaps I have overlooked the section regarding laws

 

[Ashtree]

been over this one

Great. You're out and about again I hope.

 

[Henarar]

https://www.ft.com/content/853e78ae-1945-11e7-a53d-df09f373be87

Is immagration the main reason for the vote to leave?
If not why did the government not go for a soft brexit? Ie stay in single market? That's the only way well get free trade with the eu.

Now how do you stop uncontrolled Immagration when there will be no hard border in Ireland? Via the boat to Scotland it'll be the open back door into Uk

That would be illegal immigration, a bit different to free movement of people

 

[Henarar]

Great. You're out and about again I hope.

yea not 100% but well enough to know a load of crap when I read it

 

[Bankville]

That would be illegal immigration, a bit different to free movement of people

Debatable one as there is a common travel area that predates the eu between uk and Ireland

 

[Ashtree]

I can't help but think you feel so strongly about Brexit because you fear for the effect on yourself and Ireland and it has scant regard for the actual people who were fortunate enough to be given a chance to vote the people of the UK.
You misunderstand the people who were given this chance to exercise their democratic right as to giving their approval to the growing leviathan that is the EU.
We are not like the rest of Europe .We have a far longer history of democratic freedoms and institutions that is why the industrial revolution started here and not in France or Spain or Germany. Our democratic early blossoming were born of a long line of gradual and incremental changes between our rulers and our people and not via violent continental revoloutions and forced unification and amalgamation. We have no recent history of tyrants and dictators and therefore have an inbuilt distrust of investing power in those that have not earned it or deserved it.
I believe of all the things regarding Europe and us this is the one fundamental europe can't understand , we are not the same it's not all about trade , money and not fighting your neighbour not for us.

Jeez..... early democracy coming from the Brits right back to and before the industrial revolution
Don't you recall from your school books, your were swanning around the globe shafting everybody else with your "democracy"!
Oh, man I sometimes get double vision when I read the dispatches from the parallel universe that is Britain today (at least the 52% leave part of it)

 

[Henarar]

Debatable one as there is a common travel area that predates the eu between uk and Ireland

if they move on to the rest of the UK it would be ?

 

[fudge]

In the words of guth, there would be rioting in the streets!
I never did work out how to put a square peg in a round hole

I am sure he'll think twice about rioting now Mrs May has introduced sharia law.

I dont think the referendum question mentioned a timetable.
No doubt 2022 will displease some people but as we probably will have to have an "implementation phase" (which others may call transitional) it doesnt seem so bad.
From memory of what she said though I think she mentioned that even during this period the UK will have control of its boarders.
Not sure how you can have free movement and control at the same time but I am fairly sure that there will be some political fudge to allow it.
As in any debate of this kind its notable that people gravitate to the polar opposites so in this case its either all bad for the UK or all good for the UK. The more aware amongst us realise of course that the negotiations will end up somewhere in the middle.

Kicking the free movement issue down the road, past the date of the next general election, is getting close to ignoring the "will of the people". In my opinion, and it's only an opinion this is a dangerous mistake. Too often in the past politicians have served vested interests rather than the interests of voters. You could be right but politicians have a long history of saying one thing and doing another, this undermines democracy.

 

[caveman]

Insults won't shut me up. You must be naive as well as Neanderthal.

Haha.
Funny man.
I can't see why you feel insulted that I suggested that you are gifted with a superior intellect.

 

[fudge]

Haha.
Funny man.
I can't see why you feel insulted that I suggested that you are gifted with a superior intellect.

Awfully sorry old boy. I read you as a sneering inverted snob. We all make mistakes.

 

[Henarar]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1228391013925804

 

[Clever Dic]

Jeez..... early democracy coming from the Brits right back to and before the industrial revolution
Don't you recall from your school books, your were swanning around the globe shafting everybody else with your "democracy"!
Oh, man I sometimes get double vision when I read the dispatches from the parallel universe that is Britain today (at least the 52% leave part of it)

I do recall from my history books that the democratic process did start quite sometime ago with Magna Carta. But far more recently the shafting us Brits are more well known for is the restoring of democracy and national government against the oppression of your erstwhile friends and long exponents of democracy , you can go back only to 1800 and France seeking to govern Europe on behalf of its indigenous populations or twice more recently the EU powerhouse Germany trying the same trick.
Before putting your governance in fresh hands I should look back at their track records.

 

[Muck Spreader]

I do recall from my history books that the democratic process did start quite sometime ago with Magna Carta. But far more recently the shafting us Brits are more well known for is the restoring of democracy and national government against the oppression of your erstwhile friends and long exponents of democracy , you can go back only to 1800 and France seeking to govern Europe on behalf of its indigenous populations or twice more recently the EU powerhouse Germany trying the same trick.
Before putting your governance in fresh hands I should look back at their track records.

I think the Greeks and the Romans preceded the English with the origins democratic government by at least 1500 yrs. Democratic comes from the Greek (people power). But the main shapers of modern democracy are the English, United States and France.

 

[fudge]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1228391013925804

Does Farage think we are going to stay in the single Market? I notice he didn't mention "free movement" and acknowledged the "common market".

 

[digger64]

Really? The world economy is dynamic, people,jobs and capital move around. The average leavers argument is I deserve a job because I'm British. How f***ing dynamic!

The eu is not the world its a much bigger place .

 

[digger64]

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Now speaking of tripe. You run a highly efficient tripe and two faced trollop production line. From where. Slap bang in the EU
Standing on the sidelines behind a very secure wall of sand bags. Playing both sides. Covering your ass. Urging on others to jump out of the trench and run across no mans land. Brexit requires proper Brits with resolve and stiff upper lip fighting the good fight from Lands End to John O Groats.
Plastic Brits swanning around in the olive groves of Portugal simply don't cut it.

Really I would have thought experiencing life in different nations in and out of the eu /uk would be advantageous with a view to making an intelligent opinion on this subject and many others