Death Throws of No Deal

[Muck Spreader]

Hmm, deep, the UK is now sovereign again, even despite you not liking it and sulking a lot; it may be hard to accept, but you haven't achieved anything, at all.

If you are so happy about your 'money', why won't you stop the whining? It just doesn't add up, if you were genuinely pleased you wouldn't be so bl**dy miserable and would stop the carping.

In reality it is no more sovereign now than before. Sovereignty is a total myth along with all the other Brexit Unicorns. Every time you enter any trade deal you lose a piece of your sovereignty and the UK will have to prostrate itself unmercifully over the coming years to many countries in order to get back what it already had.

 

[robs1]

Prepaid , you've had my subs and you want to break the contract. And that's what it is ,a contract.
Starting to see a pattern, break contracts with their citizens, break international agreements just signed . Who'd want a neighbour like that?

No it isnt the payments you made covered the pension of the current retired, your pension will be paid for by the tax payer at the time you collect it, some might say why should you get a penny when you arent spending any of it here, I can see that from both sides

 

[bobk]

Sky News now

"Brexit trade talks between the UK and the EU have been put on hold after the two sides said "conditions for an agreement are not met".

The bloc's chief negotiator Michel Barnier said he and Downing Street's David Frost had agreed to "pause" talks on a deal while they brief their principals on the state of play of the negotiations.

Mr Barnier said European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and Prime Minister Boris Johnson would "discuss the state of play" on Saturday afternoon.

It comes after a week of intense negotiations in London."

Excellent news

 

[Danllan]

No, I’m not against international aid.
I didn’t do A levels, as I’ve said before, I had to leave school at 15 to help our failing family business. Sorry for my fathers failings to be able to send me along to uni; twice

I've written before that I don't mind helping people, yet you forgot that! But apologies if I forgot your educational history; take it as a compliment that I wrote you had gone down to the standard of an A-level student.

As for university, what? I can't see what relevance your father is, you're older than me but certainly young enough to have been able to have your fees and a maintenance grant paid in full by your LEA. When I did my first degree at 26 I was a 'mature' student and my father was, sadly, long dead; I'd recently left the Army but, despite having some decent savings, my LEA offered to pay and I accepted. All my other courses were paid for by me in hard-earned cash...

In reality it is no more sovereign now than before. Sovereignty is a total myth along with all the other Brexit Unicorns. Every time you enter any trade deal you lose a piece of your sovereignty and the UK will have to prostrate itself unmercifully over the coming years to many countries in order to get back what it already had.

You do and will keep telling yourself that anyway, so no need for me to suggest it.

Still no explanation why, if you're so happy over there in Europe, you keep on bitching, is it a secret?

In the future we'll wallow in the slavish poverty you predict and look desperately at the democratic heaven across the channel and, perhaps, beg to be allowed back in on any terms it feels generous enough to offer... in your dreams of course, not in real life. We'll make business far more competitive over here and reap the benefits.

As for you lot over in Europe, you'll become ever-more protectionist, you'll in-fight as the pets feel they won't / can't get any more out of their keepers, and as the no-hopers realise they are bound to follow Berlin's orders, you'll break your own 'international law' and then pretend you haven't, and France will probably keep trying to look relevant too, but only so far as Germany allows don't you know...

In fact, those aren't predictions, they are a summary of the present situation. Enjoy!

 

[le bon paysan]

Certainly not, the full pension was paid to UK pensioners in the EU and a few other countries.

We are at cross purpose I think.
If you moved to Canada Australia etc , it was frozen. You knew this when you made the decision to move there.
If you moved to the EU you would get your pension as if you were still in the UK.
The government want to renege on this and freeze the pension if you are in the EU the same as if you are in one of the former countries.

 

[czechmate]

I've written before that I don't mind helping people, yet you forgot that! But apologies if I forgot your educational history; take it as a compliment that I wrote you had gone down to the standard of an A-level student.

As for university, what? I can't see what relevance your father is, you're older than me but certainly young enough to have been able to have your fees and a maintenance grant paid in full by your LEA. When I did my first degree at 26 I was a 'mature' student and my father was, sadly, long dead; I'd recently left the Army but, despite having some decent savings, my LEA offered to pay and I accepted. All my other courses were paid for by me in hard-earned cash...


You do and will keep telling yourself that anyway, so no need for me to suggest it.

Still no explanation why, if you're so happy over there in Europe, you keep on bitching, is it a secret?

In the future we'll wallow in the slavish poverty you predict and look desperately at the democratic heaven across the channel and, perhaps, beg to be allowed back in on any terms it feels generous enough to offer... in your dreams of course, not in real life. We'll make business far more competitive over here and reap the benefits.

As for you lot over in Europe, you'll become ever-more protectionist, you'll in-fight as the pets feel they won't / can't get any more out of their keepers, and as the no-hopers realise they are bound to follow Berlin's orders, you'll break your own 'international law' and then pretend you haven't, and France will probably keep trying to look relevant too, but only so far as Germany allows don't you know...

In fact, those aren't predictions, they are a summary of the present situation. Enjoy!

You missed the helping failing family business then?

Damn, it’s that « helping » word again

 

[Danllan]

You missed the helping failing family business then?

Damn, it’s that « helping » word again

You may drown in your own self-righteousness if you're not careful.

 

[neilo]

the UK is now sovereign again

You’re just being an arse for the sake of an argument again now. The UK has always been a sovereign state, and it still is. Those pesky Europeans never managed to take that from us, whatever Foghorn Farage may try to claim.

 

[neilo]

Sky News now

"Brexit trade talks between the UK and the EU have been put on hold after the two sides said "conditions for an agreement are not met".

The bloc's chief negotiator Michel Barnier said he and Downing Street's David Frost had agreed to "pause" talks on a deal while they brief their principals on the state of play of the negotiations.

Mr Barnier said European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and Prime Minister Boris Johnson would "discuss the state of play" on Saturday afternoon.

It comes after a week of intense negotiations in London."

I suspect it’s all part of the plan. The EU commissioner and BoJo will have a chat at the weekend, then a deal will be announced, with both claiming credit for the historic decision they came to over the phone on Saturday night....

The fishermen will be happy as only ‘British’ boats will be able to fish our waters, that being boats that are registered in the UK and staffed by more than 51% UK nationals. Hurrah.

 

[Hindsight]

I suspect it’s all part of the plan. The EU commissioner and BoJo will have a chat at the weekend, then a deal will be announced, with both claiming credit for the historic decision they came to over the phone on Saturday night....

The fishermen will be happy as only ‘British’ boats will be able to fish our waters, that being boats that are registered in the UK and staffed by more than 51% UK nationals. Hurrah.

Given all the fuss, I suppose I ought to find out what sort of fish these Cornish fisherfolk catch, see if I can get some in my local Morrisons and start eating it. Don't tend to eat much fish in our house. Occasional Fish and Chips (Haddock preferably) and some farmed Salmon - which seems to be Scotish or Norwegian from the labels. Occassional Crab. But as the future seems to rest on the shoulders of a few fisherfolk I ought to show some support for these symbols of a sovereign nation. Oh and get my Union Jack ready to run up in the garden flag pole on Jan 1st.

Oh and odd Kipper every so often.

Looks as though nose cut of and spite come to mind,

 

[stewart]

I don`t have much knowledge about the predicament of ex pats but those who stayed behind pay tax on the pension and spend it in the UK thus returning some of it to the economy. I recall that some years back the government stopped paying state pensions out to ex pats (Mainly in Australia and NZ) so what has changed? We joined the European Economic Community made up of several countries in order to make trade more fluid. If some take this as a signal to depart these shores and live in another European country that is their choice. If they thought that this integration thing could not be halted and thrown into reverse or that the EU monster that the EEC has become absorbed would last forever they were deluded.

The Uk has not stopped paying state pensions to ex pats in any country of the world. They have always frozen pensions to the level when you left the country

That's what I thought , my neighbour in france gets uk pension and france pension , is that right ?

Not sure how it works in France or the rest of the EU for ex pats but the way it works here is roughly this.
Ex pats who have paid into a UK government pension scheme are entitled to receive a pension from that scheme, the amount they receive is based on what they have paid in, or at least based on the length of time that have paid into the scheme.
When I reach pensionable age I will "receive" a full pension from the NZ government and a part pension from the UK, however the amount I receive from the UK goes straight to the NZ government to offset my NZ pension, as I have only spent half my working life in NZ I see this as only fair and proper. The UK government, quite rightly in my view, freeze the amount they pay to expats (depending on their country of residence and the pension agreements between the countries). why should they continue to increase payments? It makes no difference to the recipient as the pension they receive is index linked in the country they live in, this is of course assuming that other countries operate in the same way that NZ does.
Personal Pension Plans are entirely different as they are effectively an investment scheme operated independently from the government scheme, albeit within guidelines set by Government. I had a couple of PPPs left in the UK and after a lot of effort managed to get them moved to NZ, the difficult part was stopping the thieving c8nts in the City of London taking a big portion of it.

 

[yin ewe]

Given all the fuss, I suppose I ought to find out what sort of fish these Cornish fisherfolk catch, see if I can get some in my local Morrisons and start eating it. Don't tend to eat much fish in our house. Occasional Fish and Chips (Haddock preferably) and some farmed Salmon - which seems to be Scotish or Norwegian from the labels. Occassional Crab. But as the future seems to rest on the shoulders of a few fisherfolk I ought to show some support for these symbols of a sovereign nation. Oh and get my Union Jack ready to run up in the garden flag pole on Jan 1st.

Oh and odd Kipper every so often.

Looks as though nose cut of and spite come to mind,

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Have you any reason to think these figures will change next year? Will the citizens of the EU suddenly stop eating fish? If they don't want fish from UK waters where will they get it from?

 

[czechmate]

Have you any reason to think these figures will change next year? Will the citizens of the EU suddenly stop eating fish? If they don't want fish from UK waters where will they get it from?

By all accounts, they are going to quit eating fish from uk water, and lamb from uk land and switch to mainland produced beef and lamb

 

[Muck Spreader]

In the future we'll wallow in the slavish poverty you predict and look desperately at the democratic heaven across the channel and, perhaps, beg to be allowed back in on any terms it feels generous enough to offer... in your dreams of course, not in real life. We'll make business far more competitive over here and reap the benefits.

In fact, those aren't predictions, they are a summary of the present situation. Enjoy!

Facing up to the fact that the truth can be a hard master? After 5 years of Brexit planning all that's been achieved is a crumbling democracy and a failing economy fronted by a blond buffoon, some plan, some benefits.

 

[Exfarmer]

By all accounts, they are going to quit eating fish from uk water, and lamb from uk land and switch to mainland produced beef and lamb

You will be surprised how a 40% jack in the price from a tariff will soon change eating habits , or they will import it from other areas of the world

 

[czechmate]

As for you lot over in Europe, you'll become ever-more protectionist, you'll in-fight as the pets feel they won't / can't get any more out of their keepers, and as the no-hopers realise they are bound to follow Berlin's orders, you'll break your own 'international law' and then pretend you haven't, and France will probably keep trying to look relevant too, but only so far as Germany allows don't you know...

In fact, those aren't predictions, they are a summary of the present situation. Enjoy!

Funny, that is nothing that I can recognise from... living here.
And as for « no-hopers », I can imagine you would put the cz rep in that group? Well, FIL is muttering about the influence of Russians in Praha, still, not Germans. But how would he know better than you, he’s only lived there near 70 years

 

[czechmate]

You will be surprised how a 40% jack in the price from a tariff will soon change eating habits , or they will import it from other areas of the world

It’s so easy; french beef

 

[bobk]

Apparently the EU want 10 years free fishing ,

 

[czechmate]

Apparently the EU want 10 years free fishing ,

Just trying to find a more polite way of saying « go fu ck yourselves «

 

[4course]

I fear a peace in our time return this weekend a la chamberlain by boris remember what happened , it wont be actual but may well end up as a trade war having signed a fudge