Defra now looking at capping SFI

[Bossfarmer]

whilst we have imports you are trading in a global market. - as i say they do have sheep and cows in other countries

both of which im aware of.....you still cant dispute the domestic shortage HAS caused a price rise surely?????

im starting to realise you are someone who never accepts when they are wrong

 

[Bossfarmer]

Maybe a reaction to prices a few years ago, just as much as alteration to subs.

Some hill land will go for forestry, but likely some arable land will now go for grazing?

yes forestry is one of the main drivers for the reduction....and this has led to a price RISE which @Clive still disputes has even happened despite every auctioneer telling me cattle are short prices could rise further, unlikely due to the capital cost of getting into livestock

 

[Jimdog1]

then explain this WHY are uk beef and lamb prices at record levels in the UK but on the floor in Aus

I don't think Australian lamb is on the floor. @Frank-the-Wool posted some sale results a few weeks back and trade was good. Don't underestimate the effects of trade disruption on price though. Unrest has lengthened supply times, boats miss their unloading slot so are diverted. All impacts on the ' just in time' era we trade in.

 

[willyorkshire]

your missing the point......we are short of beef and lamb, if the supply isnt there from elsewhere(which is clearly isnt just now) then prices go up........which is whats happened..........so if we had maintained domestic supply we wouldnt have the current price shock......do you follow?

Agreed. It would always be low.

 

[Clive]

farmers worried about short supply of food ………. you really could not make it up !


let’s all produce more. ………. and then give it away that’s the spirt guys #thankafarmer

 

[Bossfarmer]

farmers worried about short supply of food ………. you really could not make it up !


let’s all produce more. ………. and then give it away that’s the spirt guys #thankafarmer

quite right and i told you i was enjoying the high prices........but its value to your precious taxpayer of SFI leading to higher shopping bills we were discussing......... and the fact that a domestic shortage CAN raise the prices in the shops here which you deny!

its easy to know when youve lost an argument but wont admit it, the sarcastic and childish comments quickly appear

 

[Bossfarmer]

Agreed. It would always be low.

i agree

 

[Billboy1]

i think boss and clive should get in the ring and box for charity

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

I don't think Australian lamb is on the floor. @Frank-the-Wool posted some sale results a few weeks back and trade was good. Don't underestimate the effects of trade disruption on price though. Unrest has lengthened supply times, boats miss their unloading slot so are diverted. All impacts on the ' just in time' era we trade in.
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Report from breeding sheep sale in NZ.
Significant confidence there. Even though finished lamb prices have been poor.
Australian prices very volatile, due to difficulties of exporting at the moment.

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Big finish for Canty circuit as Sheffield delivers​

Annette Scott
February 14, 2024
Last of the annual ewe fairs for the region chalks up strong returns.

The last of the Canterbury breeding ewe fairs saw vendors well rewarded.
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Fewer entries than previous years – and its status as the last of the ewe fairs on the Canterbury circuit – meant quality breeding ewes were set for a very strong sale at the annual Sheffield ewe fair.
A line of 650 capital stock Romdale 2-th ewes offered by vendors Ed and Jenna Harrington of Springfield kicked the sale off with their outstanding presentation fetching the top 2-th price of the sale, selling from $196-$200.
This set the tone for the day and vendors were well rewarded, Hazlett auctioneer Phil Manera said.
A line of 190 Romney 2-ths offered by DG Martin of Sefton followed closely, going under the hammer at $180, while the Clarkson family of Greendale sold 125 Romney 2ths at $183.
The last of the 2-ths were Romdales offered by vendor RA Nesbit of Loburn. They made $178.
A feature line of 2-shear Romney ewes consigned from JG and DA Crawford of Oxford received the top overall price of the day, selling at $234.
Genuine 5-year ewes strengthened as the sale progressed with a large line of 1140 Romdales from The Lakes Station selling from $124 up to $150, and a run of 150 Romneys from T and R Ferguson of Hawarden sold at $140.
A small line of annual draft Romney ewes from Norwood Farm fetched $148 and a big line of 530 AD Romtex from Brooksdale Station, Springfield, pulled up at $133.

 

[Fat hen]

So what if SFI is making you more. My job is to still be in business next year, whether thats, SFI, battery storage, growing crops for AD, growing milling wheat, growing and fattening bullocks etc we take the best combination of options. Don't see people saying we should cap the tarriffs paid to AD etc

business comes first

 

[Fat hen]

It’s an ever expanding “big state” spending money like water on uncertain outcomes with unpredictable and unintended consequences.
I don’t know whether to fill my boots like all my neighbours are doing or carry on living by my own wits. I still reckon I could do as well without schemes with careful farming and still benefit the environment. But I’ve other partners involved.

"“big state” spending money like water"....is it not that roughly the same amount of £ was being distributed as it was before with BPS ?

 

[farmerm]

"“big state” spending money like water"....is it not that roughly the same amount of £ was being distributed as it was before with BPS ?

Yes, though inflation has cut its real value by nearly 20%…

 

[DrWazzock]

"“big state” spending money like water"....is it not that roughly the same amount of £ was being distributed as it was before with BPS ?

More or less. But it’s still spending money like water. Just look at how deeply entwined DEFRA is into farming businesses. It’s insane really. There’s even a grant for wooden gates. And thousands of people employed administrating it all. I wonder what extra it costs for the state to buy me a wooden gate instead of me just going down to Mole Valley and paying for it myself?
And with BPS the government essentially paid the rent on every agricultural acre in the country. We now work for a nationalised industry in all but name. And I thought Brexit might sweep all this crap away. Instead it’s made it ten times worse. All we really needed was a fair price for produce and we could buy our own gates.

 

[e3120]

Hmmm

Government ensures food production remains primary purpose of farming

Especially if you've squeezed 2 of the list into 3 years.

 

[Andy26]

Hmmm

Government ensures food production remains primary purpose of farming

Especially if you've squeezed 2 of the list into 3 years.

Wow that's a big change!

I assume as concerned about food security will be ensuring imports meet UK production standards, to ensure level playing field?

Thought not.

 

[Hindsight]

Hmmm

Government ensures food production remains primary purpose of farming

Especially if you've squeezed 2 of the list into 3 years.

Well that puts a stop on two small applications submitted earlier this morning! Wonder if it will be retrospective? If so going to create a few issues. Be helpful if we knew details soon if this is to be retrospective. Hey ho.

 

[Hindsight]

Hmmm

Government ensures food production remains primary purpose of farming

Especially if you've squeezed 2 of the list into 3 years.

TESCO put a stop to that wheeze then!!!

 

[spin cycle]

Hmmm

Government ensures food production remains primary purpose of farming

Especially if you've squeezed 2 of the list into 3 years.

ffs....utter tw@ts

 

[Hindsight]

Hmmm

Government ensures food production remains primary purpose of farming

Especially if you've squeezed 2 of the list into 3 years.

But can we put 25% of each of the six options and thus get to the 100%.?

 

[MrNoo]

What an utter shitshow!!