Deutz air cooled

[Digester Man]

Can anyone help, a friend of mine (80 years old!) has a Mastenbroek trencher with a Deutz 6cyl air cooled engine. The trencher is going great but the engine is burning a lot of oil, to the point he has taken it out. He bought a Deutz V8 from a combine but has now found the bell housings aren’t compatible.

He’s fairly handy but struggling to source either a new engine, the parts to recondition his own original engine, or some way of mating up the V8 to his machine.

Has anyone any advice on what he could do. Would like to help him out, by sourcing something for him or helping him sell the V8 which is going perfect and would suit someone to go back into a combine..

 

[Speedstar]

Can anyone help, a friend of mine (80 years old!) has a Mastenbroek trencher with a Deutz 6cyl air cooled engine. The trencher is going great but the engine is burning a lot of oil, to the point he has taken it out. He bought a Deutz V8 from a combine but has now found the bell housings aren’t compatible.

He’s fairly handy but struggling to source either a new engine, the parts to recondition his own original engine, or some way of mating up the V8 to his machine.

Has anyone any advice on what he could do. Would like to help him out, by sourcing something for him or helping him sell the V8 which is going perfect and would suit someone to go back into a combine..

just take it to a good machine shop & get a alloy backplate made so the 2 can be bolt together OK

 

[German]

Can anyone help, a friend of mine (80 years old!) has a Mastenbroek trencher with a Deutz 6cyl air cooled engine. The trencher is going great but the engine is burning a lot of oil, to the point he has taken it out. He bought a Deutz V8 from a combine but has now found the bell housings aren’t compatible.

He’s fairly handy but struggling to source either a new engine, the parts to recondition his own original engine, or some way of mating up the V8 to his machine.

Has anyone any advice on what he could do. Would like to help him out, by sourcing something for him or helping him sell the V8 which is going perfect and would suit someone to go back into a combine..

He should redo the engine, the Parts are dirtcheap and its very easy to do.
Do you have an engine Number?
Im guessing F6l912 they are still being built for export, if he wants he can get a brand new one.
A FULL set with Pistons and cylinder for 700€

Kolbenschmidt Motorreparatursatz F6L912 - Deutz 03362573, 02922609, 02924598, 02928141, 02929967Motor, Motorblock & Zubehör , Reparatursatz / Überholsatz , Schlepperteile, Traktorteile, Ersatzteile

Kolbenschmidt Motorreparatursatz F6L912 - Deutz03362573, 02922609, 02924598, 02928141, 02929967Motor Überholsatz für Instandsetzung und Reparatur für Case, IHC, David Brown, Deutz, Fendt, Ford, JCB, John Deere, Landini, Manitou, Massey Ferguson, Steyr, Valmet

www.schlepper-teile.de

Must be some that sells these parts in the UK

 

[Fendtbro]

I would recommend getting a genuine Deutz rebuild from Deutz uk Or whatever they are called. They just send an engine from Germany then take your one back. A local rebuild can be dodgy if the head shimming is not carried out correctly. But some places must know what they are doing over here. The guy I used was supposed to be a specialist but made a poor job. If done right they should go for years untouched. Be wary of ex combine engines sat with water in them as I found out the hard way..

 

[Digester Man]

New engine would be nice but sounds bloody costly?

Like the sound of a €700 rebuild kit, must get the engine code off him and report back here to this thread, thanks

 

[Fendtbro]

New engine would be nice but sounds bloody costly?

Like the sound of a €700 rebuild kit, must get the engine code off him and report back here to this thread, thanks

If you can remember if the oil gauge had reasonable pressure then just do the top end. Still better to check the shells.. Just make sure somebody good that knows how to set up the head shims is on the job. I had a lot of trouble with head rings blowing due to people not knowing how to set them up. If it is an early series engine, there is a Donor combine Engine here but a later one will need a bit more hunting about.

 

[German]

The Deutz aircooled are almost as simple as two stroke engines, what you need to get the head shims right is solder,
its just that easy. You just put in all the shims you have for one cylinder and test, remove the shims with a side cutter if it is too much and then you do it on all of the other cylinders with the same thickness of the shim. You then control it
with solder on the other cylinders. Torque everything to spec.
You can repair these engines if necessary on the side of the road.

Heres how you control the compression/shim adjustment

 

[335d]

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@leone75

 

[Fendtbro]

The Deutz aircooled are almost as simple as two stroke engines, what you need to get the head shims right is solder,
its just that easy. You just put in all the shims you have for one cylinder and test, remove the shims with a side cutter if it is too much and then you do it on all of the other cylinders with the same thickness of the shim. You then control it
with solder on the other cylinders. Torque everything to spec.
You can repair these engines if necessary on the side of the road.

Heres how you control the compression/shim adjustment

That looks a lot easier with an upright engine, I remember doing it on a fendt with the engine on it’s side, absolute bitch of a job with the parts keep falling out and getting dirty.. I put the solder in the injector hole, nearly drove me mad with all the fooling about. Next one got ordered straight from Deutz and cost no more. Both ended up a complete rebuild

 

[fiat 9090]

New engine would be nice but sounds bloody costly?

Like the sound of a €700 rebuild kit, must get the engine code off him and report back here to this thread, thanks

700 sounds very cheap ,we did a

He should redo the engine, the Parts are dirtcheap and its very easy to do.
Do you have an engine Number?
Im guessing F6l912 they are still being built for export, if he wants he can get a brand new one.
A FULL set with Pistons and cylinder for 700€

Kolbenschmidt Motorreparatursatz F6L912 - Deutz 03362573, 02922609, 02924598, 02928141, 02929967Motor, Motorblock & Zubehör , Reparatursatz / Überholsatz , Schlepperteile, Traktorteile, Ersatzteile

Kolbenschmidt Motorreparatursatz F6L912 - Deutz03362573, 02922609, 02924598, 02928141, 02929967Motor Überholsatz für Instandsetzung und Reparatur für Case, IHC, David Brown, Deutz, Fendt, Ford, JCB, John Deere, Landini, Manitou, Massey Ferguson, Steyr, Valmet

www.schlepper-teile.de

Must be some that sells these parts in the UK

To recondition a 6cyl 913 deutz engine from top to toe costs about 4000 euro at least 2500 is parts but it's right for another 15 to 20,000 hrs

 

[German]

Parts for the 913 are a little more expensive but 2500 is too much.
You can get everything for 1500, Rebuilt the Engine on my Neighbour's Deutz 6006 10 Years ago and the Engine is still running fine (500hrs/year). So these Kolbenschmidt parts are not bad, rebuilt an engine on a self proppeled Feeder Waggon and a motorpump using the same parts, no Problems at all.

Maybe I should buy these parts and send them to the UK for a little Profit, you would still save some money

 

[Fendtbro]

Parts for the 913 are a little more expensive but 2500 is too much.
You can get everything for 1500, Rebuilt the Engine on my Neighbour's Deutz 6006 10 Years ago and the Engine is still running fine (500hrs/year). So these Kolbenschmidt parts are not bad, rebuilt an engine on a self proppeled Feeder Waggon and a motorpump using the same parts, no Problems at all.

Maybe I should buy these parts and send them to the UK for a little Profit, you would still save some money

This sounds about right.. A danish pal told me that we are robbed for spare parts. But that we get the new machine cheaper.. not sure about that! Machinery in the early 2000’s seemed cheap, £35k for a 130hp Deutz or Reno was buttons really. But £700 for 4 clutch pack spring washers on the fendt.. daylight robbery.

 

[TripleSix]

Bepco do Deutz parts.
I looked at putting pistons, jugs and heads on the engine in my Kramer.
Wasn't going to cost a lot more than £450

 

[leone75]

I have a vintage deutz generator runs every day . Lifetime guarantee on waterpump.and radiator [emoji6]

 

[daveydiesel1]

I have a vintage deutz generator runs every day . Lifetime guarantee on waterpump.and radiator [emoji6]

They deffinitely are a good idea as no water pump radiator to replace and no chance of frozen block if forget to change antifreeze. Cant understand why no1 makes an aircooled engine now as surely be cheaper to produce

 

[Timbo]

They deffinitely are a good idea as no water pump radiator to replace and no chance of frozen block if forget to change antifreeze. Cant understand why no1 makes an aircooled engine now as surely be cheaper to produce

Emissions and noise.

 

[daveydiesel1]

Emissions and noise.

But how would that affect emmissions as its not to do with the fuel being burnt or the exhaust system

 

[Timbo]

But how would that affect emmissions as its not to do with the fuel being burnt or the exhaust system

With an aircooled, its practically impossible to maintain head temperature within a narrow band - extended idling and they cool off too much and under full chat they're too hot- soot and NOx would be all over the place.

Not to mention we've no consistent cooling medium for EGR cooling either.

 

[daveydiesel1]

With an aircooled, its practically impossible to maintain head temperature within a narrow band - extended idling and they cool off too much and under full chat they're too hot- soot and NOx would be all over the place.

Not to mention we've no consistent cooling medium for EGR cooling either.

Would a viscous fan design not be fit to regulate it a bit though

 

[Timbo]

Would a viscous fan design not be fit to regulate it a bit though

They were using an exhaust gas temp controlled fan clutch back in the 80's - its several orders of magnitude waaaay toooo variable for emissions control.