Digital grain passports

[B'o'B]

Grain producers, please feed into the consultation for digital grain passports.
Their introduction is likely to disadvantage independent grain traders and result in further consolidation of the grain trade.
As growers we need greater diversity in the grain market not less.
It seem like growers might well end up footing the bill for this, but only pick up the crumbs of the benefits.

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[Against_the_grain]

I can understand some of the fears raised in the advertisement feature but really its time that we had a digital passport. It seems such an antiquated way of doing things with a paper passport.
Lets address the issues;
1. IT skills. Really? Is it going to be that complicated that people are going to leave the industry?!
2. Costs for hauliers? How? This should all be able to run from a phone
3.Governance of data. Perhaps my biggest concern with this but measures can be put in place. Lets face it they already have all the data just not digital.
4. Competition implications. I am unsure what this means?
5. Load data. Probably the biggest benefit of this system. The NFU/BFU needs to ensure this is provided ASAP.
6.Breakdown/Hack. Paper copies could still be available when this happens.
7. Cost. Split between farmers/merchants/end users
None of these 'problems' are insurmountable. Its exactly what the NFU/BFU should be fighting our corner for not a rejection of the whole system.

 

[Wombat]

I can understand some of the fears raised in the advertisement feature but really its time that we had a digital passport. It seems such an antiquated way of doing things with a paper passport.
Lets address the issues;
1. IT skills. Really? Is it going to be that complicated that people are going to leave the industry?!
2. Costs for hauliers? How? This should all be able to run from a phone
3.Governance of data. Perhaps my biggest concern with this but measures can be put in place. Lets face it they already have all the data just not digital.
4. Competition implications. I am unsure what this means?
5. Load data. Probably the biggest benefit of this system. The NFU/BFU needs to ensure this is provided ASAP.
6.Breakdown/Hack. Paper copies could still be available when this happens.
7. Cost. Split between farmers/merchants/end users
None of these 'problems' are insurmountable. Its exactly what the NFU/BFU should be fighting our corner for not a rejection of the whole system.

My issue is everything goes straight from the combine to central store in tractor and trailer and at the moment every one needs a passport. Dead easy with paper just print out a Stack and give to who ever is in the tractors. How will digital passports work.
After that we never use a passport as the store does all the onward ones.

 

[JeremyD]

If it ain't broke don't fix it!
What could be easier than the current system? Stickers, passports and a spare biro in the loader cab job done..

 

[B'o'B]

My biggest issue is the potential to further consolidate the grain market.
The big players can spread the costs of the digital passports over far larger tonnages than the independent smaller grain merchants.

The smaller merchants don't feel they will gain much benefit from the proposals, I trust them when they say this.

There is also no firm commitment that farmers will actually receive real-time data from the proposal. This is the only benefit that farmers will get from changing the system. I cannot support a proposal where this is not absolutely guaranteed.

The digital passport is proposed to be the only system going forward to avoid the cost of running multiple systems, so there would be no backup system in place in the case of system failure.

 

[colhonk]

There is no tick box for NO. do not want digital.
So obviously already done , a la ahdb.

 

[graham mc]

Ahdb will love to be involved as it gives them chance of not being voted out of existence

 

[graham mc]

they want digital so they can make sure the approved store on rt passport site matches with the gps from the lorry thats loading

they are paranoid that we are trying to cheat the system

its all about big brother watching you so they can find you out at any chance

 

[SilliamWhale]

If it ain't broke don't fix it!
What could be easier than the current system? Stickers, passports and a spare biro in the loader cab job done..

Even easier not having them. They don't actually do anything. It's no different to a ticket from the driver.

The contract is the important thing. The passport means nothing one way or another.

Does every milk tanker have a passport?

 

[Punch]

At one stage I was in favour of digital passports as that meant we would get load information back.
Now I just want the load info and happy with a printed off passport that I can generate of my own computer from a template. No sticker required as that’s on template and minimal hand writing.
No need for digital!

 

[Chae1]

If it ain't broke don't fix it!
What could be easier than the current system? Stickers, passports and a spare biro in the loader cab job done..

They thought that when they were using horse and carts and outside toilets. Things move on.

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

At one stage I was in favour of digital passports as that meant we would get load information back.
Now I just want the load info and happy with a printed off passport that I can generate of my own computer from a template. No sticker required as that’s on template and minimal hand writing.
No need for digital!

Load information can, and does currently come back to the grower without digital passports.

 

[DrWazzock]

Who says we will get load information back any faster or more comprehensively with a digital passport. As said we get load info back anyway.
How will it stop non assured grain getting into the system? Non assured farmer just tips his grain at assured farmer’s assured store and it gets loaded up into lorry from there.
How’s it actually going to work IT wise? Who runs the database and backs it all up etc. won’t be cheap.
Last load I delivered I just asked the sampler what the results were and he told me.

 

[DrWazzock]

Independent traders? What are those?

 

[L P]

I can understand some of the fears raised in the advertisement feature but really its time that we had a digital passport. It seems such an antiquated way of doing things with a paper passport.
Lets address the issues;
1. IT skills. Really? Is it going to be that complicated that people are going to leave the industry?!
2. Costs for hauliers? How? This should all be able to run from a phone
3.Governance of data. Perhaps my biggest concern with this but measures can be put in place. Lets face it they already have all the data just not digital.
4. Competition implications. I am unsure what this means?
5. Load data. Probably the biggest benefit of this system. The NFU/BFU needs to ensure this is provided ASAP.
6.Breakdown/Hack. Paper copies could still be available when this happens.
7. Cost. Split between farmers/merchants/end users
None of these 'problems' are insurmountable. Its exactly what the NFU/BFU should be fighting our corner for not a rejection of the whole system.

£300 odd thousand pound saving on printing passports and stickers is one of their greatest efforts as a selling point. Zero signal at my grain store so every passport will involve taking the driver to my house to fill in. Nothing wrong with paper ones

 

[colhonk]

Tis all about control.............of us.

 

[Grass And Grain]

I do wonder if it's about control and data harvesting.

If you'd have asked me 18 months back I might have thought it was progressive. Right now I don't trust any of them.

 

[Steevo]

they want digital so they can make sure the approved store on rt passport site matches with the gps from the lorry thats loading

they are paranoid that we are trying to cheat the system

its all about big brother watching you so they can find you out at any chance

Sounds like the post office scandal again…

 

[Barleymow]

Had my large merchant on the phone this morning looking to drum up support to reject digital passports, they are also fed up with rt but their hands are tied . The millers and feed mills won't knowing take no rt still unless it's imported

 

[EJS]

I can understand some of the fears raised in the advertisement feature but really its time that we had a digital passport. It seems such an antiquated way of doing things with a paper passport.
Lets address the issues;
1. IT skills. Really? Is it going to be that complicated that people are going to leave the industry?!
2. Costs for hauliers? How? This should all be able to run from a phone
3.Governance of data. Perhaps my biggest concern with this but measures can be put in place. Lets face it they already have all the data just not digital.
4. Competition implications. I am unsure what this means?
5. Load data. Probably the biggest benefit of this system. The NFU/BFU needs to ensure this is provided ASAP.
6.Breakdown/Hack. Paper copies could still be available when this happens.
7. Cost. Split between farmers/merchants/end users
None of these 'problems' are insurmountable. Its exactly what the NFU/BFU should be fighting our corner for not a rejection of the whole system.

IT Skills - lack of WIFI at grainstores. Casual labour all needing specific apps on phone - older generation being excluded due to lack of IT skills in an industry with an older workforce (this will change but not yet?
Cost to Hauliers - probably time and inconvenience when IT doesn't work but I'm not a haulier
Governance of data - A concern that hasn't been fully addressed in document
Competition implications- no I'm not sure about this either
Load data - no concrete assurance that we receive this back in real time - the ONLY benefit to growers I can see and we should be receiving this anyway
Breakdown- if paper acceptable here then everyone will continue with paper - look at EID in livestock - was told would reduce paperwork- has actually increased
Cost - running I believe to be funded by AHDB - So yes cost split but growers funding vast majority as we do with levy as a percentage and have no discernible benefit - potentially data returned but not guaranteed. As usual farmer funded benefits to industry plus putting AHDB in an unassailable position integrated into cereals hence preventing any possible vote on removing