Digital grain passports

[Flintstone]

I still prefer paper passports and stickers. It’s nice to have a previous year’s passport book on the office shelf, and have all the loads in it, with hand written notes of lorry weigher weights etc scribbled down on each page to be able to go back to if needed.

 

[farmerfred86]

Even easier not having them. They don't actually do anything. It's no different to a ticket from the driver.

The contract is the important thing. The passport means nothing one way or another.

Does every milk tanker have a passport?

This is the key point... The AIC have launched the DGP from the stance that it needs improving, and only a digital passport is the option. The reality is that for its members to really save time and money we could still have assurance (as many other commodities do) without needing a paper or digital passport. The figures proposed for money saving are ridiculous.
Those of us who drive a car or crop sprayer have passed a test to do so... we dont have to show our licence to every passer by.

 

[SilliamWhale]

This is the key point... The AIC have launched the DGP from the stance that it needs improving, and only a digital passport is the option. The reality is that for its members to really save time and money we could still have assurance (as many other commodities do) without needing a paper or digital passport. The figures proposed for money saving are ridiculous.
Those of us who drive a car or crop sprayer have passed a test to do so... we dont have to show our licence to every passer by.

Yes but they become less relevant then

 

[SilliamWhale]

Had my large merchant on the phone this morning looking to drum up support to reject digital passports, they are also fed up with rt but their hands are tied . The millers and feed mills won't knowing take no rt still unless it's imported

They're hands aren't that tied. They could join us in making public statements.

 

[farmerfred86]

Yes but they become less relevant then

They are hardly relevant now.... but if we are going to continue to champion standards (rightly or wrongly) then we need to have assurance. This does not need a paper or digital passport.

 

[Against_the_grain]

This is the key point... The AIC have launched the DGP from the stance that it needs improving, and only a digital passport is the option. The reality is that for its members to really save time and money we could still have assurance (as many other commodities do) without needing a paper or digital passport. The figures proposed for money saving are ridiculous.
Those of us who drive a car or crop sprayer have passed a test to do so... we dont have to show our licence to every passer by.

Thinking about it this is absolutely spot on. Why do we even need a passport? We are assured, we have passed out annual audit and that can be seen by anyone with access to the red tractor database.

 

[Wombat]

Thinking about it this is absolutely spot on. Why do we even need a passport? We are assured, we have passed out annual audit and that can be seen by anyone with access to the red tractor database.

Exactly most of the info on a passport is pointless rubbish anyway. What was your last three loads, err chicken sh!t, asbestos and Uranium

 

[ajd132]

Thinking about it this is absolutely spot on. Why do we even need a passport? We are assured, we have passed out annual audit and that can be seen by anyone with access to the red tractor database.

Yeh this is a brilliant point. I’ve thought of so many analogies for this. It’s actually ridiculous even having a passport at all.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Based on what we have learnt about the dear old AIC over the last few years, any proposal from them is definitely not for the benefit of the farmer. They're not to be trusted.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Yeh this is a brilliant point. I’ve thought of so many analogies for this. It’s actually ridiculous even having a passport at all.

You don't need one. You have a relationship with your buyer that they want to buy the right product at the right spec at the right price at the right time.

The passport is a complete diversion and provides nothing of value beyond the hypothetical. Spivs gonna spiv

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

Had my large merchant on the phone this morning looking to drum up support to reject digital passports, they are also fed up with rt but their hands are tied . The millers and feed mills won't knowing take no rt still unless it's imported

I was sent a digital passport feedback form today by a small merchant. The small merchant was very much against digital passports.

 

[ajd132]

so why do we actually need a passport?
when signing the grain contract we can give the merchant don and the other info.
a signed delivery note suffices for traceability, the contract number will be linked to the processor anyway so they know where its come from on the off chance their is an issue.
small tweaks to the current system could see us do away with the passports all together, and save a bucket load of money from implementing the digital passport.
am I being too simplistic?

 

[SilliamWhale]

so why do we actually need a passport?
when signing the grain contract we can give the merchant don and the other info.
a signed delivery note suffices for traceability, the contract number will be linked to the processor anyway so they know where its come from on the off chance their is an issue.
small tweaks to the current system could see us do away with the passports all together, and save a bucket load of money from implementing the digital passport.
am I being too simplistic?

Nope. Does each load of imported stuff have a passport? Even if it did what would it mean?

 

[Steevo]

so why do we actually need a passport?
when signing the grain contract we can give the merchant don and the other info.
a signed delivery note suffices for traceability, the contract number will be linked to the processor anyway so they know where its come from on the off chance their is an issue.
small tweaks to the current system could see us do away with the passports all together, and save a bucket load of money from implementing the digital passport.
am I being too simplistic?

Very good question!

Do livestock farmers get a passport with each load of feed that the grain is made into?
Does a bag of flour or loaf of bread come with a passport?
Or each load of fertiliser farmers buy?


Thinking about it.....the term "passport" broken down is exactly that....a pass for the port.


It logically makes sense for humans travelling across borders....albeit even today in Europe ID will suffice instead of a proper passport. A delivery note would contain "ID" details.

For livestock, a market could I guess be considered a border, and at a stretch farm to farm given that the animal itself is a unique, unit entity that is unlike the others.

But a passport for grain (a bulk of millions of almost identical grains that cannot be differentiated between at a glance) seems insane and if required for that then surely every single item purchased by Tesco customer should also be accompanied by a similar piece of paper. Instead, if the customer is lucky there is a "batch" or "lot" number.....which tells them nothing at all and is only of use to the manufacturer if for some reason they wish/need to trace something back.

 

[JonL]

Very good question!

Do livestock farmers get a passport with each load of feed that the grain is made into?

Assured livestock farmers have to ensure their feed is assured and do so by buying from UFAS registered feed supplier and quoting that number to assurance auditor. No passport, just a number on delivery note / invoice. What's the difference?

 

[Flat 10]

Very belatedly following last weeks Ad in the FW by the independent grain merchants I decided to fill in the consultation as requested by the 2nd Feb only to find the NFU have already stopped taking responses. Surely that's nothing to do with the fact they might be getting rather more negative feedback then they wanted?????? I might start a poll on here instead.

 

[chickens and wheat]

Poultry red tractor don't check my feed is from assured sources. I have to show that I collect feed tickets but they don't really care what's printed on them.

We don't have passports for chickens leaving the farm, but red tractor number must be written on load tickets

 

[Flat 10]

Put a poll in the main Agricultural Matters section of the forum

 

[B'o'B]

Very belatedly following last weeks Ad in the FW by the independent grain merchants I decided to fill in the consultation as requested by the 2nd Feb only to find the NFU have already stopped taking responses. Surely that's nothing to do with the fact they might be getting rather more negative feedback then they wanted?????? I might start a poll on here instead.

Fill it in via the AHDB.

https://ahdb.org.uk/digital-passport

 

[Flat 10]

Fill it in via the AHDB.

https://ahdb.org.uk/digital-passport


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Did that. Thanks. Did they ask us about digital passports in the general future of the ahdb survey approx a year ago? Can anyone remember? I don’t think they did.