Diquat to be banned by Europe

[Will Blackburn]

Because if we want to sell anything to Europe we'll have to follow their rules anyway.

One day Brexiters will wake up and realise that they have been shafted by the Neocons.

Remember how easy it all was going to be "EU trade deal after Brexit should be 'easiest in history' to get"

Brexit is nothing more than extreme right wing ideology bereft any intellectual content. Not one brexiter can tell me a definite positive of Brexit it's all trite, vague nonsense about 'taking back control' and 'stopping immigrants'.

Immigrants incidenly that we wanted here to boost our GDP and which we already have the power (but have never implemented) to return under European Parliament and Council Directive 2004/38/EC, which allows EU member states to repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves.

GM soya beans, they buy plenty on those?

 

[Farfrae]

don't underestimate the UK government - we have a long history of winning wars

We've got a pretty good record for starting them.

As for the second World War according to historian Max Hastings it's the Soviets' we have to thank for winning that. "It was the Western Allies’ extreme good fortune that the Russians, and not themselves, paid almost the entire ‘butcher’s bill’ for [defeating Nazi Germany], accepting 95 per cent of the military casualties of the three major powers of the Grand Alliance,".

But us Brits just love to carry on believing what they told us whilst the map on the school wall was mostly coloured pink from all the conflicts we engaged in.

 

[Honest john]

So this is going to be an interesting test of Brexit.

The European Commission is suggesting that diquat is withdrawn from the market by 4th May 2019 and used by 4th Feb 2020.

However, we will have "left" Europe by then. So what will Defra do? Follow suit or not?

Import it from USA.

 

[Honest john]

I was led to believe that diquat passed reregistration but the decision was quashed at a higher level.

I don’t see this as testing the waters of whatever deal is or isn’t done. There simply isn’t the desire in Westminster or Whitehall to keep diquat. If this was about glyphosate I think it would stand a greater chance of a debate at senior level.

Well Gove got us some water after meeting with NFU.
We need Diquat to burn down spuds, until another product comes to market.
So let’s hope a Common sence party ( or leader ) arrives in Westminster.

 

[Cowcorn]

Well Gove got us some water after meeting with NFU.
We need Diquat to burn down spuds, until another product comes to market.
So let’s hope a Common sence party ( or leader ) arrives in Westminster.

Next up CTL. [Bravo] where will it end? When Science is disregarded in favour of populist sentiment .
Hope the uk adopts a common sense approach because then we could nip across the border to NI to buy our supplies but given previous form i wouldnt be optomistic.

 

[Exfarmer]

You can be certain there is zero chance of saving Diquat, the green vote is probably ten times the agricultusral vote. In fact every chemical the EU bans will bring the reaction , who would want to eat X product produced in the UK that has been drenched in chemical Y that is banned in Europe, and probably all those countries which curently follow European practice. This in theory is very large , but probably less in real practice. However this will not be how it is portrayed by the press who will dig up reminiscences of little Johnny whose mother is positive he died after eating one GM carrot, or some such

 

[Chris F]

You can be certain there is zero chance of saving Diquat, the green vote is probably ten times the agricultusral vote. In fact every chemical the EU bans will bring the reaction , who would want to eat X product produced in the UK that has been drenched in chemical Y that is banned in Europe, and probably all those countries which curently follow European practice. This in theory is very large , but probably less in real practice. However this will not be how it is portrayed by the press who will dig up reminiscences of little Johnny whose mother is positive he died after eating one GM carrot, or some such

You say that, but Growth hormones are banned in EU, but people still rave about USDA steak.

 

[Exfarmer]

You say that, but Growth hormones are banned in EU, but people still rave about USDA steak.

I know but you cant buy it here and if you did a poll in the streets, “would you willingly eat hormone treated beef 95% would definitely say no!
If you asked would you eat US beef , I expect the poll would be. Near the reverse.
Guess which questions the media would ask?

 

[Brisel]

Ask the public if they would eat GM maize or soya as they left Starbucks with a snack bar in their hand & I’ll bet most would say No even though that was what they were about to do.

 

[Exfarmer]

Ask the public if they would eat GM maize or soya as they left Starbucks with a snack bar in their hand & I’ll bet most would say No even though that was what they were about to do.

I think GM maize and its products are only allowed in for cattle feed, I may be wrong though.
I did once ask a group when I was in Antigua about whether they were happy eating hormones beef fed on GM feed and they were horrified at the thought. Then I asked them what they thought of the steaks they were eating and all said they really enjoyed it. It was very good and the restaurant made the point ( As most tourists were US) that the beef was all from USA.
90% of consumers don't care what they eat, 5% Are veggies anyway, the rest are easily persuaded after tasting .
And these same people are allowed to vote, that is how we got in this Hormone/ GM / mess and another troubling us at the moment

 

[Brisel]

There’s no rule that states you have to declare that you have GM in food. How many processed foods contain maize or soya derivatives? If they weren’t GM you’d have thought someone might have bothered to state “GM free” on the packaging as a point of difference. Most food manufacturers buy the ingredients from the cheapest reliable source and rely on the fact that 99% either have no idea what the ingredients are or don’t give a toss.

 

[Exfarmer]

No all food containing more than .9% of a GM sourced product must state it, by law. This means all materials and is designed to prevent manufacturers being prosecuted for trace accidental inclusion. I believe all manufacturers stipulate GM free for supplies, but like old horses who knows what does get into some foods

 

[Brisel]

I will look up that law. With such a high % of the key exporters’ produce of maize and soya being GM I fail to see how it will fall below the 0.9% threshold.

 

[An Gof]

European agricultural production heading towards organic by default with cheap conventionally produced food imported.
So that makes sense doesn't it.

 

[Breakthru]

There’s no rule that states you have to declare that you have GM in food. How many processed foods contain maize or soya derivatives? If they weren’t GM you’d have thought someone might have bothered to state “GM free” on the packaging as a point of difference. Most food manufacturers buy the ingredients from the cheapest reliable source and rely on the fact that 99% either have no idea what the ingredients are or don’t give a toss.

Red tractor lamb chops. Sold in threes. Strange number isn't it?
you only need to declare 60 odd % the other one is NZ lamb.
Our food standards as dictated by the food industry, as in processors who give out back handers to MPs and uncivil servants are a joke.
don't believe me check on who receives all the Wimbledon, Twickenham, Ascot corporate tickets. Thats' only the visible bribes.

 

[JonT]

So this is going to be an interesting test of Brexit.

The European Commission is suggesting that diquat is withdrawn from the market by 4th May 2019 and used by 4th Feb 2020.

However, we will have "left" Europe by then. So what will Defra do? Follow suit or not?

CRD have confirmed the above dates.

 

[Sonoftheheir]

CRD have confirmed the above dates.

What’s your source of info on this please?

 

[Ugo79]

What’s your source of info on this please?

AIC member briefing was released today

 

[JonT]

AIC member briefing was released today

Indeed.

 

[Lincsman]

I will look up that law. With such a high % of the key exporters’ produce of maize and soya being GM I fail to see how it will fall below the 0.9% threshold.

Many way of laundering it, happens up the road from me every day.