Do hunts not understand the word No

[Adam@Rumen]

Unless you want hounds left on your land unattended?

Justifying trespass with out of control dogs perhaps isn't the best way to go...


Thankfully the hunts round here are very respectful and appreciate there's areas they can and can't go

 

[milkloss]

Unless you want hounds left on your land unattended?

The whipper-in has enough to worry about without keeping a note of whose field is whose (unless he is likely to get shot at).



I remember many (15+) years ago being involved in a dispute with a landowner who had a badger sett. He didn't want any hounds or horses on his land.

Every time we were near his land a fox would run to the badger sett and the hounds would "mark to ground". Someone would then have to go, on foot, to get the hounds back.

We couldn't get him to understand that if an earthstopper filled the holes in before hunting started, then the fox would not go to ground in the sett and hounds would not be lingering on his land

These dogs they hunt with are pretty feral then, go where they like, hunt what they like and unstoppable?

 

[Osca]

Unless you want hounds left on your land unattended?

The whipper-in has enough to worry about without keeping a note of whose field is whose (unless he is likely to get shot at).



I remember many (15+) years ago being involved in a dispute with a landowner who had a badger sett. He didn't want any hounds or horses on his land.

Every time we were near his land a fox would run to the badger sett and the hounds would "mark to ground". Someone would then have to go, on foot, to get the hounds back.

We couldn't get him to understand that if an earthstopper filled the holes in before hunting started, then the fox would not go to ground in the sett and hounds would not be lingering on his land

Err.. well the problem there was surely not that the farmer did not wish to fill in the badger sett on HIS land, where the hunt was NOT given permission to go, but that the hunt was not sufficiently in control to stop hounds going there? Perhaps the days of the hunt are over, in this crowded island, if participants really think its OK to allow hounds into an area where they know already that they are going to lose control.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Justifying trespass with out of control dogs perhaps isn't the best way to go...

Hounds don't understand the concept of trespass.

I am not justifying trespass. Hunts who routinely trespass cause trouble for hunts in general.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

These dogs they hunt with are pretty feral then, go where they like, hunt what they like and unstoppable?

Not at all.

Just like gundogs and sheepdogs, some hounds are better trained than others.

 

[Osca]

Not at all.

Just like gundogs and sheepdogs, some hounds are better trained than others.

Well, I have to admit that my little dog isn't particularly well trained... but by your reckoning, if I chose to let her off the lead near a farmer's field, possibly containing stock or a growing crop, knowing that she wasn't welcome there, having previously been asked to keep out and knowing also that she would make a bee-line for the place - that would be OK? Just an excusable lack of training when she did what I knew she would do? The farmer's fault, not mine, since his land and the potential prey on it was what was attracting her? Really?

 

[tinsheet]

Unless you want hounds left on your land unattended?

The whipper-in has enough to worry about without keeping a note of whose field is whose (unless he is likely to get shot at).



I remember many (15+) years ago being involved in a dispute with a landowner who had a badger sett. He didn't want any hounds or horses on his land.

Every time we were near his land a fox would run to the badger sett and the hounds would "mark to ground". Someone would then have to go, on foot, to get the hounds back.

We couldn't get him to understand that if an earthstopper filled the holes in before hunting started, then the fox would not go to ground in the sett and hounds would not be lingering on his land

Illegal to block up a badger sett!
.

 

[Steel]

Not at all.

Just like gundogs and sheepdogs, some hounds are better trained than others.

Can you train fox hounds. The people who used them for fox drives on my place eventually got rid of theirs. Even though they were unbelievably effective on foxes they were always unstoppable if they were on the trail of a missed fox. We often wasted more time trying to catch hounds than hunting foxes.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Illegal to block up a badger sett!
.

Not 15 years ago it wasn't.

Earthstopping was licenced and regulated.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Can you train fox hounds?

Of course, otherwise it wouldn't work.

Hounds are trained what to hunt and what not to hunt, as well as how to respond to the different horn calls. They are also trained how to behave in traffic, using commands to move left or right.

Hounds are not trained how to hunt, they do it by instinct (like labradors carrying things).

Foxhounds can be headstrong and need a firm hand. If they are running and you need them stopped, the only way is to get in front of them.

 

[unlacedgecko]

If they are running and you need them stopped, the only way is to get in front of them.

Never worked out how to do that with beagles...

 

[Paddington]

If they are running and you need them stopped, the only way is to get in front of them.

Just like sheep !

 

[tinsheet]

Not 15 years ago it wasn't.

Earthstopping was licenced and regulated.

Didn't know that! Everyday a school day.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Didn't know that! Everyday a school day.

I'll see if I can find one of my old photocard licences.

Lots of rules. Holes could only be stopped with loose soil or straw, without disturbing or altering the rim of the holes. Bundles of sticks could be used but had to be removed afterwards.

Even in those days, many badger setts were under surveillance. The licencing system was a condition of the Badgers Act 1992 and was intended to keep track of who was earthstopping and where, in case any of it was done outside of the rules.

" The blocking of badger sett entrances would normally have amounted to an offence under Section 3 of the Protection of Badgers Act 1992 but was permitted by exemption under Section 8 of the Act, which allowed badger setts to be blocked with materials and in accordance with Section 14 of the Act.

The Hunting Act 2004 removes this exemption and the stopping of badger setts is now illegal."


Here is Section 8 of the Badgers Act 1992:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1992/51/section/8

 

[Hilly]

Id say if a pack of hounds hunting a fox like before the ban were able to be stopped they were not very good !

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Finding a balance between drive and biddability is not easy!