Do we miss bravo and opus?

[essex man]

Biocides GB Expiry date postponements: February 2024 - Biocides - HSE

A decision has been taken to postpone the active substance expiry dates for all biocidal active substance and product type combinations which expire between 1 January 2024 and 31 December 2026, until 31 January 2027

www.hse.gov.uk

This seems to say teb here til at least 2027 , is this correct, does anybody know?
Not sure i can grow milling wheat without so will need to stock up if it's going

 

[Flatland guy]

I under stand that but has it been designed to cost a fortune so people dont bother ! who decides what the re reg figures should be and should they be so high if the product is still safe and working.(and I mean really safe )

It is almost as if the large corporations/pharmaceuticals have lobbied various Governments to ensure that only people are allowed to use their high margin latest product and once that registration expires and does not earn them anything/much let it become uneconomic to renew. In effect the law is only helping the large corporations with high margin product all the time regardless of the health and environmental concerns.

 

[David.]

Isn't that basically all the CAP was about, when you get to the nub of it, keeping BASF et al going?

 

[jh.]

I think I'm right in saying the UK is still one of the biggest manufacturers of paraquat

Are we not manufacturer's of Neonicotinoid as well .

Make it , ban it but then buy back imported crops treated with it .

 

[Goodolddays]

Levy funds on keeping ctl and epoxi would have added monumentally more value to the industry than all the other stuff they do

It did not matter how much money you threw at it, they were always going to be banned, full stop.
The government, via CRD, sets the re-registration fees.

 

[Goodolddays]

I under stand that but has it been designed to cost a fortune so people dont bother ! who decides what the re reg figures should be and should they be so high if the product is still safe and working.(and I mean really safe )

Simply not true.

 

[richard hammond]

It did not matter how much money you threw at it, they were always going to be banned, full stop.
The government, via CRD, sets the re-registration fees.

Ever heard of lobbying!

 

[richard hammond]

Simply not true.

And the reason you know this for fact!!,

 

[Punch]

Am I right in thiking you can still use Gramoxone(paraquat) and it can be delivered in an IBC!!

Still produced in UK for export markets. Huddersfield I think.

 

[richard hammond]

Still produced in UK for export markets. Huddersfield I think.

Thanks for the info, you could not make it up could you!! so do our government and CRD really not care about the rest of the world! just what re have available to us in the UK

 

[Punch]

Thanks for the info, you could not make it up could you!! so do our government and CRD really not care about the rest of the world! just what re have available to us in the UK

Had a long discussion with local Labour MP about these sorts of issues. I said it was morally wrong to ban but still produce, export products and import commodities. Had an even longer discussion about employment opportunities in the NE. It all comes down to politics.

 

[ollie989898]

Thanks for the info, you could not make it up could you!! so do our government and CRD really not care about the rest of the world! just what re have available to us in the UK

But what is acceptable in some countries may be wholly useless or inappropriate in others. For example, in the USA the impact of herbicides may be less because farms and sensitive crops are miles apart etc or they just have less rainfall and so pesticides entering ground water is not so much of an issue etc.

 

[B'o'B]

The loss of Epoxi and CTL basically doubled my T1 costs most years.
A year like this I would be looking at newer chemistry anyway, but bang for buck a well timed 0.75-1L Epoxi + 1L CTL was very hard to beat. If timings slipped it had lost its edge towards the end, but if you could get it on at the perfect timing it still performed very well and was better than most current offerings on rusts.

 

[Goodolddays]

Ever heard of lobbying!

So you would lobby to say we want this chemistry that the governments health and safety dept have deemed unsafe for the environment and human health?

 

[Goodolddays]

Ever heard of lobbying!

And the reason you know this for fact!!,

Because its not the chemical companies who market the products that are the ones who set the costs for active/product registration and re-registration.

 

[richard hammond]

So you would lobby to say we want this chemistry that the governments health and safety dept have deemed unsafe for the environment and human health?

Do you not understand lobbying? could it be the chemical companies wanting them banned to bring on more profitable alternative, or even the people testing the "better actives " to keep them in a job proving that the new chemistry is a small % better than that they want banning, Cynical I know but could it be reality? its a big commercial world.

 

[richard hammond]

Because its not the chemical companies who market the products that are the ones who set the costs for active/product registration and re-registration.

Oh dear, look at my answer for the other reply you sent!! ie Government/lobbying etc

 

[cricketandcrops]

Paraquat active made in Huddersfield and exported for formulation, not formulated there into finished product

 

[fudge]

TBH most people moved to more expensive products before epoxi was withdrawn. I wager that most growers will be looking at the fancier products because of the trials that show extra yield. Personally I think CTL is the bigger miss because of resistance issues with septoria. Those issues do justify it’s use imo.

 

[ollie989898]

CRD are primarily concerned with products impacting the environment and human health. My friend used to work for them. They were actually quite pragmatic and didn't ban things too hastily in reality. Some of these products were extremely problematic for the environment/water supplies or had very nasty effects on human health. It surprises me that PDM is still allowed- it's thought to be linked to bladder cancer because it's based on chemistry similar to aniline dyes which are definitely carcinogenic. They don't just ban this stuff for the lulz- it's for a reason. You guys are the one handling the concentrates, too, so it's you who are first in the firing line.