Boohoo
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- Location
- Newtownabbey
You wouldn't be the first to spray docks in grass with Ally, half rate if you want to keep the grass, full dose if you don't.
Dock Survival !
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ollie989898
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You can kill docks with ally at a much lower rate than that.
Boohoo
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- Location
- Newtownabbey
I wouldn't know, just repeating what I've been told
ollie989898
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Absolutely. The rate of active provided by that in cimarron was very very low. Hefty does of ally would stop the grass from growing for a long time.
- Location
- East Sussex
How does/did ally kill docks, was it a stalling kill like squire ultra (amdosulfuron) ?
ollie989898
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Same as any sulphonyl-urea works.
You spray it on and nothing appears to happen but active growth ceases nearly immediately.
After about 10 days you will see the plant turn yellow, then red and slowly fade away. No spectacular wilting or twisting.
ollie989898
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This has been hit with cimarron AND a hormone herbicide in tank mix. 9 days between the two.
pine_guy
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- Location
- North Cumbria
agronomist gave me this for a field. It’s been savage on the grass. Two weeks on and still yellow
Left sprayed, right not. This is just a big I emptied my tank on.
ollie989898
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agronomist gave me this for a field. It’s been savage on the grass. Two weeks on and still yellow
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Left sprayed, right not. This is just a big I emptied my tank on.
Why was pinnacle recommended and at what rate?
I would only use that on a ley with clover in it, and it will not touch curled-leaf docks- they are resistant to it.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
My current agronomist says he never recommends it either, due to the price. Difference between independent and serviced illustrated there me thinks....
ollie989898
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There is a place for arylex. Don't go assuming it is another serviced vs independent load of cobblers again. Yes, they appear to do similar things, but arylex controls more besides what flurox does and it works in cooler conditions. The rate can also be pared back lower than you might think as well.
pine_guy
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- Location
- North Cumbria
It was quite a rank infestation of broad leaf docks. Very clean otherwise. No real clover to get excited about. £50/pot, 2Ha/pot (22.5g/Ha) so £10/acre plus £3.5/acre (£35/l) for Saturn silicon wetter. How does that sound? What would you have recommended?
Should add I was told about curled sick resistance and Agrionamist walked the field.
ollie989898
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Seems an odd way of doing it, that is all, pinnacle isn't all that great in my experience.
- Location
- Ceredigion
Why cant anyone give a confirmed answer to which is best . All these concoctions
I’m a true believer in using a more expensive,effective product if it works first time.
Patch spraying Forefront T on troublesome patches of nettles has really worked well,generally cuts them down by 99% so a bit of spot spraying with the knapsack the next year clears them.
Can’t say FT is as good on docks however timing is probably important.
I used some squire ultra I had left over last year and it seemed to have murdered them along with the weather turning dry and not letting them regrow.
This spring the docks are all there saying hello!
Patch spraying Forefront T on troublesome patches of nettles has really worked well,generally cuts them down by 99% so a bit of spot spraying with the knapsack the next year clears them.
Can’t say FT is as good on docks however timing is probably important.
I used some squire ultra I had left over last year and it seemed to have murdered them along with the weather turning dry and not letting them regrow.
This spring the docks are all there saying hello!
im getting on well with 1/2 rate ally max + 0.375l/ha pixarro , where i dont have grass weed problems it tidies up spring weed problems £9/acre.
ollie989898
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There is no best answer.
I gave links to a whole host of products in another thread. No one product is fully effective on all species.
What Ollie said. Arylex has a place in cereal weed control programmes & has a broader spectrum than many current alternatives. The only reason I haven't used it yet is I'd rather spend the same money on higher rates of older products in a SU+hormone mix than risk resistance in new chemistry by cutting rates. Resistant poppies are all around my region so we've always taken the view of not relying on one mode of action.
ollie989898
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I was under the impression you could use arylex extremely late on cereals as well, around GS45 even? I wouldn't want to be doing that with ally or hormones.
- Location
- Northern Ireland
What was the level of active product in cimarron, and how does that compare to the generic Ally copies that are available at 200mg strength? I was told that third rate of them on docks would be the right rate for a purely hypothetical grassland situation. And when you say add hormone, which and at what rate?