Does porous fords require special coolant

[Ltec]

As above to prevent corrosion on 10 series fords, does it require special coolant or antifreeze and at what strength. Should it be mixed with rain water rather than tap water.

 

[Lincsman]

Some came with a filter in the system that started out full of protection stuff, otherwise you can buy additive, but most Ford stuff inc cars etc were/ are filled with 50% antifreeze that should do the job.
Dont think the water makes a difference as it was air bubbles hat did the damage.

 

[Barleymow]

I run 50% anti freeze all the time 7810 has coolant filter change that every 2 yrs never seen any corrosion in water over 30 yrs yet

 

[Fivedoors]

There was a rust inhibitor you could get from Ford dealerships with the quantity needed to mix with antifreeze and water not sure if you can still get it ,we use to put it in a 5610 when new it coated the internals grey just carried on with antifreeze after a few years.

 

[multi power]

As above to prevent corrosion on 10 series fords, does it require special coolant or antifreeze and at what strength. Should it be mixed with rain water rather than tap water.

Corrosion isn't the problem, cavation is the problem

 

[Ltec]

Would coolguard for the john deere be the best option as most parts stores near me don't know what antifreeze or don't care.

 

[Lincsman]

Would coolguard for the john deere be the best option as most parts stores near me don't know what antifreeze or don't care.

If you are in a non freezing country you need the protective additive, not sure coolguard has it in it.

 

[7610 super q]

Gen 3 have filters which release an inhibitor into the coolant over time. As said those that used 50/50 and changed regularly don't seem to have problems..
One of life's mysteries. Some get 15,000 hours before going porous, others can't drive them out of the dealers yards without problems.

 

[Ltec]

Corrosion isn't the problem, cavation is the problem

I dont understand what you mean. I looked up cavitation and it says cavitation is a form of corrosion.

 

[Ltec]

So do I buy any antifreeze, mix it 50/50 and hope for the best.
I thought John deeres had the same problem and coolguard was the cure for it.

 

[Lincsman]

So do I buy any antifreeze, mix it 50/50 and hope for the best.
I thought John deeres had the same problem and coolguard was the cure for it.

I am sure coolguard will do the job if its easy for you to get, but something tells me you dont mix other products with it to top up.

 

[Cowabunga]

I dont understand what you mean. I looked up cavitation and it says cavitation is a form of corrosion.

The cavitation is erosion not corrosion, although this is a matter of semantics. What the additive does, whether the liquid type or the paste in the filter-type dispenser used in SeriesIII, is to alter the surface tension of the coolant so as to prevent bubbles forming and bursting on the coolant side of the cylinder walls. These bubbles form due to the vibration caused by the combustion and when they burst they cause severe erosion of the metal. The same process happens with ship's propellers over time


The coolant should be standard ethylene glycol and water in a 40% concentration. Add the special additive or 'filter' to prevent cavitation.

John Deere use a different long life coolant using organic acid to prevent corrosion of the wet cylinder liners.

 

[Ltec]

The cavitation is erosion not corrosion, although this is a matter of semantics. What the additive does, whether the liquid type or the paste in the filter-type dispenser used in SeriesIII, is to alter the surface tension of the coolant so as to prevent bubbles forming and bursting on the coolant side of the cylinder walls. These bubbles form due to the vibration caused by the combustion and when they burst they cause severe erosion of the metal. The same process happens with ship's propellers over time


The coolant should be standard ethylene glycol and water in a 40% concentration. Add the special additive or 'filter' to prevent cavitation.

John Deere use a different long life coolant using organic acid to prevent corrosion of the wet cylinder liners.

Mine is a series 2 and doesn't have a filter.
I phoned the Ford garage who said their antifreeze was OK. He said throw a gallon of it in her and top the rest up with water. It didn't sound like he really cared. I asked about additive and he said no.

 

[Lincsman]

Mine is a series 2 and doesn't have a filter.
I phoned the Ford garage who said their antifreeze was OK. He said throw a gallon of it in her and top the rest up with water. It didn't sound like he really cared. I asked about additive and he said no.

He is actually about right, (works out at about 45%) new antifreeze has the additive, over time (3 years) it needs replacing, I only top up with neat antifreeze as everything only needs about 1L / year at the most, (I never drain it and replace)

 

[Cowabunga]

Mine is a series 2 and doesn't have a filter.
I phoned the Ford garage who said their antifreeze was OK. He said throw a gallon of it in her and top the rest up with water. It didn't sound like he really cared. I asked about additive and he said no.

Well the answer should have been 'yes'. Ford had an additive available on 500ml bottles specifically for this purpose and it did sort the issue if used in the correct concentration initially and topped up with another bottle every couple of years. Whether CNH still have it available is another matter but I should think that motor factors should be able to source a similar product.

As far as the antifreeze goes, he wasn't so far out. I think the four cylinder tractors hold about 3 gallons of coolant and a gallon of ethylene glycol topped off with water would give a 33% mix, which is sufficient for all UK winters since the 1990's if not before. It may state on the tin what concentration relates to what temperature it protects.

30 seconds of searching reveals this Fleetguard [Cummins] article which actually explains all much better than I can. They obviously have the products available.

https://www.cumminsfiltration.com/sites/default/files/pdf_archive/pdfs/product_lit/asia_pacific_brochures/3300963A.pdf

If you cannot find an additive for conventional cheap[ish] ethylene glycol, you should flush your cooling system out with clean water thoroughly and use an ethylene glycol with organic acid technology OAT. These have enhanced corrosion and cavitation prevention properties and are more commonly available. Usually coloured pink, orange or yellow, but not always.

 

[MrNoo]

Yes, we used to use something from Ford/NH in our old 7600 after we lost one block to cavitation, had a new half engine. no issues since although it's retired now. Remember the day it arrived all shiny and new!!

 

[agrimax]

frod????https://www.fordtractorspares.co.uk/product/frod-corrosion-inhibitor-500ml/

 

[Cowabunga]

frod????https://www.fordtractorspares.co.uk/product/frod-corrosion-inhibitor-500ml/

Daylight robbery at that price though.

 

[Celtic Driver]

Daylight robbery at that price though.

Not if it saves a block from becoming porous although Cummins do a similar product might be cheaper with them .

 

[Drillman]

Antifreeze/distilled water here 50/50 mix.