Dominic Raab is useless

[Danllan]

Unfortunately for you Brexiteers, UK is a constitutional democracy which means the rights of the minority still have to be respected, as much as they may wish for it to be dictatorship.

My record places me well on the side of democracy, you lot aren't even prepared to accept a democratic vote. The only thing worse than a tyranny of a majority is a tyranny of a minority.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Unfortunately for you Brexiteers, UK is a constitutional democracy which means the rights of the minority still have to be respected, as much as they may wish for it to be dictatorship.

Were the rights of anyone at all respected when John Major signed Mastricht ?

 

[Two Tone]

Actually, in my lifetime, the biggest political interest I ever had was the election with the two David’s. All through the campaign it looked pretty promising. When the results came they lost. End of. A CLEAR loss. The significant word is “clear ‘.

In this situation I’d argue that a15-14 result is CLEAR enough. Especially when you consider that many Remainers voted that way, because they either didn’t want to upset the apple cart or thought they would be on the winning side.

IMO it was a tremendous victory for the underdogs. I very much doubt that we would still be on countless Brexit threads now if Remain had won 15-14.

 

[Two Tone]

Everybody is entitled to their own opinions.
But they aren’t entitled to their own facts.

The fact is that Leave won.

 

[Muck Spreader]

My record places me well on the side of democracy, you lot aren't even prepared to accept a democratic vote. The only thing worse than a tyranny of a majority is a tyranny of a minority.

Democracy though your eyes maybe. But in reality unless the referendum was mandatory on the the population, a marginal result is always going to be open to question. As such we can safely say that more than 50% on the eligible population didn't (or were prevented) vote to remain or leave and therefor it can't be conclusive.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Democracy though your eyes maybe. But in reality unless the referendum was mandatory on the the population, a marginal result is always going to be open to question. As such we can safely say that more than 50% on the eligible population didn't (or were prevented) vote to remain or leave and therefor it can't be conclusive.

Less people vote in a general election .. governments have taken the UK to war based on less people.

What planet do you live on ?

 

[Danllan]

Democracy though your eyes maybe. But in reality unless the referendum was mandatory on the the population, a marginal result is always going to be open to question. As such we can safely say that more than 50% on the eligible population didn't (or were prevented) vote to remain or leave and therefor it can't be conclusive.

No, that's no good. You can't approve a governmental mandate with less than 50% and provide any credible criticism of a majority vote in a referendum. There is an absolute right and freedom for everyone to vote in this country, barring the well known exceptions. Whether people choose to vote, or not, is their choice. You're clutching at straws. There was a vote, you lost, and the sulk goes on... Grow up, it has become boring again.

 

[jendan]

No, that's no good. You can't approve a governmental mandate with less than 50% and provide any credible criticism of a majority vote in a referendum. There is an absolute right and freedom for everyone to vote in this country, barring the well known exceptions. Whether people choose to vote, or not, is their choice. You're clutching at straws. There was a vote, you lost, and the sulk goes on... Grow up, it has become boring again.

The only way this will ever work is a Brexit in name only.May probably realises this.A no deal could very well spark off civil unrest.For something as monumental as this,the split is too much 50/50.

 

[caveman]

The only way this will ever work is a Brexit in name only.May probably realises this.A no deal could very well spark off civil unrest.For something as monumental as this,the split is too much 50/50.

The split isn't 50/50.

There's just a small element of about thirty percent of the electorate, who are pi55ed off because they lost and can't get over it.

The rest either won, have got over it, or don't care.

 

[Ashtree]

Could only happen in Britain .......

Dogs owners march on UK parliament demanding new Brexit 'Wooferendum' https://reut.rs/2PitSpL

 

[Muck Spreader]

No, that's no good. You can't approve a governmental mandate with less than 50% and provide any credible criticism of a majority vote in a referendum. There is an absolute right and freedom for everyone to vote in this country, barring the well known exceptions. Whether people choose to vote, or not, is their choice. You're clutching at straws. There was a vote, you lost, and the sulk goes on... Grow up, it has become boring again.

Again, you try and do my thinking for me. I am just putting forward a statistical fact and offered no preference about the outcome.

 

[czechmate]

The only way this will ever work is a Brexit in name only.May probably realises this.A no deal could very well spark off civil unrest.For something as monumental as this,the split is too much 50/50.

Surely the only outcome is Canada +++.
Which is what the EU offered some years ago.
The rest now is bluster to quieten down the Faragets

 

[wanton dwarf]

Surely the only outcome is Canada +++.
Which is what the EU offered some years ago.
The rest now is bluster to quieten down the Faragets

I think May will try for Norway which is EEA.

In the press that May is courting Labour voters, I think the pretense of the Conservative Party being for Conservatives has gone completely.

 

[Muck Spreader]

I think May will try for Norway which is EEA.

In the press that May is courting Labour voters, I think the pretense of the Conservative Party being for Conservatives has gone completely.

She is evidently trying to get her own members back. A recent survey of Labour party members identified 77% of them as now coming from the socio-economic group ABC1 ie the richest and most well educated.

 

[Danllan]

Surely the only outcome is Canada +++.
Which is what the EU offered some years ago.
The rest now is bluster to quieten down the Faragets

Quite right, and that is what I advocated from the start! No special treatment, just free trade both ways including some services, which Canada doesn't have. We don't have to be subject to any EU rules / laws or mass immigration and they still get to keep a - very probably - positive trade balance with us... The border in Ireland can be soft, the will and the tech' are both extant.

Civil unrest @jendan, really? There will probably be some unpleasant idiots who'll try to stoke things up for their own revolting ends, but so few as to be irrelevant. Anyway, there can't be a return to violence, Sinn Fein / IRA have given up the use of violence forever, remember?

 

[czechmate]

I think +++ would include some fees paid and free movement of people

 

[Danllan]

I think +++ would include some fees paid and free movement of people

You would! My understanding of the +++ was what David Davis spoke of originally and explains here:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1028036/david-davis-we-can-switch-to-canada-plus

The pluses were and are extras in trade and services, not free movement etc.. The EU wants and needs £50bns, we want a deal for trade and services, the EU wants to keep our trade deficit. End of...

 

[caveman]

Surely the only outcome is Canada +++.
Which is what the EU offered some years ago.
The rest now is bluster to quieten down the Faragets

Canada +++ Has been on offer since day one.
Farage has always been for it.
Tusk said last week that it was and is still on offer.
The small print needs reading.
May just wants to take all the credit......and therefore think she's got a legacy to leave behind.
Hence, sticking to Chequers....... which she will modify to Canada +++ ,but still call it Chequers.
It's all about being top of the pops.

 

[czechmate]

Canada +++ Has been on offer since day one.
Farage has always been for it.
Tusk said last week that it was and is still on offer.
The small print needs reading.
May just wants to take all the credit......and therefore think she's got a legacy to leave behind.
Hence, sticking to Chequers....... which she will modify to Canada +++ ,but still call it Chequers.
It's all about being top of the pops.

I think you underestimate TM

 

[Ashtree]

There’s another term for ++++++

It’s called BRINO ..,......

Dress it up guys. Put a spin on it. Pretend you thought of it first. Call it the Eurocrats being “sensible”.

You can even try to tell us it isn’t sticking in your Brexit craw .......