dutch spotted texel .....whats the deal?

[spark_28]

seeing alot more of these online for sale and on twitter etc

just another fad?

 

[neilo]

Definitely. They are the next Blue Texel, as they are apparently better mothers & more easily lambed than UK Texels. It is probably too late to get in now, if you want to make a fast buck out of the new wonder breed...

I was told that you can grade up anything you like, as it’s all about the markings. Apparently some have Zwartbles behind them,yet they are still claiming to super carcass sheep.

 

[Pistonbroke]

A neighbour bought two in lamb ewes for his daughter for roughly £2500 each. Now they're not in show Nick they look like polled Jacobs.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Overpriced shite. If you want lambs that won’t be fit till 80kg fill your boots.

 

[dogandstick]

Time we all got back to basics.

 

[Moors Lad]

Overpriced shite. If you want lambs that won’t be fit till 80kg fill your boots.

It seems you`re not impressed... ... guess if you`d sold a couple for £5k you`d maybe just tolerate them...
One could be mistaken for thinking the next "ostrich blue sheep" might just be the one to transform the British sheep industry...... I`m saving up right now... (maybe I should just import a couple of dozen and get in right at the start )

 

[andybk]

Having judged quite a few of a lot of these "new breeds" they do have a lot to offer in the right place for the right job , the biggest hurdle is real sheep men arnt selecting good commercial stock to start with,either through ignorance or they just dont care , poor teeth , poor feet ,awful bodies without feed
Charollais and Texels were quite lucky in the 70s quite a few original importers were proper sheep farmers and they were quickly into a commercial situation ,
They all do themselves a disservice selling stock for such a high markup , whether the blacknose or these new dutch sheep because they will never get into a proper commercial enviroment and be properly tested , all that happens is the very poorest end up , getting used by commercial farmers and results will be obviously be dissapointing , i know the costs involved with bringing stock back from europe and the markups are quite outrageous in all but the best pedigrees .

 

[Nithsdale]

Forget the spotty ones... you want the Badger Faced Texel

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[andybk]

Forget the spotty ones... you want the Badger Faced Texel

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www.badgerfacetexel.com

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chap near me imported them a few years back , they are very good bodied sheep (but small shetland size but texel shape ) quite impressively solid bodies but without the structural (neck / pelvis ) problems texels and beltex have ,a 40kg lamb could be fun to get without feed , problem is lack of genetic diversity , there are very few blood lines , i think there were something like only 2 or 3 genetically different rams outside holland , and one of those was in ireland

 

[Nithsdale]

chap near me imported them a few years back , they are very good bodied sheep (but small) problem is lack of genetic diversity , there are very few blood lines , i think there were something like only 2 or 3 outside holland .

Perfect time to get into them...

 

[andybk]

Perfect time to get into them...

once again , to many issues to sort out and not big enough gene pool .

 

[Nithsdale]

once again , to many issues to sort out and not big enough gene pool .

Got to get in at the head, before the 'masses' want an ornament... I'm sure they could be bred up from Blue Texels, Texels or Beltex...

Widen the gene pool, spend some cash now and do some donkey work pushing the breed... then sit happily at the top of the pyramid

 

[unlacedgecko]

Perfect time to get into them...

Surely a limited genetic diversity wouldn't bother an inbree er, line breeder like you ??

 

[Nithsdale]

Surely a limited genetic diversity wouldn't bother an inbree er, line breeder like you ??

It's that shallow... you wouldn't need to drain the swamp, would you

 

[andybk]

Surely a limited genetic diversity wouldn't bother an inbree er, line breeder like you ??

you have to have some good genetics to start with lol , he only had one or two very sound ewes which he showed endlessly and they were very well fed ,and im not into ET and that , wool was quite wirey , nothing like a blue texel , similar job to the charmoise .
I did look into the french cotentin (sort of a texel x pool dorset / kent) some years back but although very good sheep ticked many boxes had many issues with photosensitivity on ears and skin . like a bigger charmoise (120kg rams)

 

[andybk]

if you want a bit of bedtime reading on various french rare breeds and issues with small gene pools
https://watermark.silverchair.com/5...zCWODolweOvgp5Jp6Z1unWlyjvwqr_93Vkp2lPD9NMQHA

 

[neilo]

you have to have some good genetics to start with lol , he only had one or two very sound ewes which he showed endlessly and they were very well fed ,and im not into ET and that , wool was quite wirey , nothing like a blue texel , similar job to the charmoise .
I did look into the french cotentin (sort of a texel x pool dorset / kent) some years back but although very good sheep ticked many boxes had many issues with photosensitivity on ears and skin . like a bigger charmoise (120kg rams)
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Weren’t Cotentins just Berrichons from a different region? They even had the same problem of soft, white feet iirc. A long time since I’ve seen one tbh.

 

[andybk]

Weren’t Cotentins just Berrichons from a different region? They even had the same problem of soft, white feet iirc. A long time since I’ve seen one tbh.

a bit more dorsety than berrichon , interesting sheep though, heritage not dissimilar to charollais (southdown / leicester ) prolific and meaty , which took my interest , grazed on the salt marches like the kent

Cotentin Sheep - Arca del Gusto - Slow Food Foundation

The Cotentin is an ovine pastoral and rustic race from the west of France. It is called after the land of the same name, where rearing was also linked to

www.fondazioneslowfood.com

 

[clod hopper]

Having judged quite a few of a lot of these "new breeds" they do have a lot to offer in the right place for the right job , the biggest hurdle is real sheep men arnt selecting good commercial stock to start with,either through ignorance or they just dont care , poor teeth , poor feet ,awful bodies without feed
Charollais and Texels were quite lucky in the 70s quite a few original importers were proper sheep farmers and they were quickly into a commercial situation ,
They all do themselves a disservice selling stock for such a high markup , whether the blacknose or these new dutch sheep because they will never get into a proper commercial enviroment and be properly tested , all that happens is the very poorest end up , getting used by commercial farmers and results will be obviously be dissapointing , i know the costs involved with bringing stock back from europe and the markups are quite outrageous in all but the best pedigrees .

Also hardly any are culled in the beginning or by the hobbyists and sold as breeding stock, in my opinion that's where they go wrong for the good of the breed but not good for the pocket.

 

[andybk]

Also hardly any are culled in the beginning or by the hobbyists and sold as breeding stock, in my opinion that's where they go wrong for the good of the breed but not good for the pocket.

not only the beginning , zwartbles is in same boat , we were quite strict on structure when they first came in early 90s , society (mainly hobbyists ) is only interested in markings / size these days , incredibly frustrating seeing expensive well marked rams sold with basic faults , and a ewe with a very small white patch ostracised as not worthy of registration .
Main reason i have restrained bringing any more different breeds in , as soon , money men take over and f the whole job up