TALDLONKTUP2
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That's quite some memory you've got there!
Easy ram tups
- Thread starter Mcclelland
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- North Antrim
I remember being impressed, it obviously stuck in my mind.
NZDan
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- Location
- Broomfield, New Zealand
oh Ive got ambition I'd be happy with all my ewes weaning that number of that type of lambs.Come on now, what ever happened to ambition...........!!!
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Just in case anyone had forgotten...!!!! Don't tell me @Global ovine sheep in New Zealand rear five lambs.....!!!!
And don't say pasture management, this was my first year and I was still under stocked and getting to grips with things....
Personally I think instead of selecting for ewes that will have twins, I'd rather select for ewes that can raise Triplets.
Very relevant, but has 2 sides, and to use the same analogy, British Leyland tried to carry on doing what they wanted rather than improve the product, and we all voted with our feet, in other words for the masses, it's product quality and applicable price. Dyson sells a product that people want, but it's not cheap.
That was the point I was trying to make in an earlier post but you have made it much better,in this chase for numbers are we losing the quality it is all well and good producing o and plain r grade lambs in their thousands but if the market is wanting u grade lambs as it seems to have been this spring are we on a hiding to nothing.
Woolless
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- Berwickshire, Scottish Borders
However, there's generally only a small (5/10p) premium for U grades paid on the grid?
- Location
- North Antrim
The greater premium for breeding these types of lambs is actually in the higher average carcase weight achieved and generally lower cost of finishing.
- Location
- Devon
But the kiwi breeds some are keen on bashing are our main competition and we keep getting told they far more consistent in quality and taste. And they certainly don't give a lot of O grade lambs.
I see these kiwis are importing some texels from the UK maybe they have twigged!!!
That is why these good lambs are generally sold live where the premium is.
easyram1
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- Location
- North Shropshire
Or maybe as has already been pointed out a few breeders in NZ are taking a bit of a punt and "look see " on a few doses of Texel/Beltex Semen and some Beltex embryos. These may prove lots of things in the future but with no lambs yet on the ground it is mere work in progress in spite of Breed Societies PR. To be fair UK Charolais lambs are currently on the ground in NZ some or all from Forum Members??I see these kiwis are importing some texels from the UK maybe they have twigged!!!
For facts comparing UK Suffolk and Texel genetics with their NZ equivalents please see the performance tables in the report in this weeks Irish Farmers Journal a copy of which I posted here on the Forum last evening
NZ Suffolks and Texels when compared to Irish High Index and unrecorded/low index Irish equivalents
- Have higher scanning and lambing %
- Less Dystocia at Lambing
- Less Lamb mortality
- Higher daily LWG from 6 weeks onwards
- Higher weaning Weight
- Less days to slaughter
- Much higher % finishing off grass
There isnt really a premium they just pay a little more on the correct assumption of a better ko% and leaner carcass the price per kg dw would work out similar o or u grade to the butcher , but they dont worry about costs and extra work on the farm , £ yield per acre or ewe would be more relevant to the farmerThat is why these good lambs are generally sold live where the premium is.
Parts of the lesser lambs have to be pitched on the market, often for little or no margin, the in spec better lambs which are saleable subsidise the bottom end, your right, not enough difference, but that's why, and the more poor lambs there are, the lower the price will be.
I'll have 45 at £80
How would the Irish Suffolk and Texel sheep compare with their UK counterparts,I know their ewe flock is completely different.
Do you actually read the market reports or go to a market, the premium is there for those producing the goods, when you see these top end lambs making up to £120 when your ordinary lambs are at £70 I think you would be getting a worthwhile return for the little if any extra labour required to produce them.
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- Devon
It's been pointed out many times but that premium is very regional dependant.Do you actually read the market reports or go to a market, the premium is there for those producing the goods, when you see these top end lambs making up to £120 when your ordinary lambs are at £70 I think you would be getting a worthwhile return for the little if any extra labour required to produce them.
My lambs generally make more than they would if they made sqq lw when they go dw so I'll take that along with the lower production costs.
That is fair enough thankfully we all have a choice of what we breed and how we sell it.
Yes ,have bought them too , only times you see those differences in most places would be xmas show or similar , have you ever come àcross luck ? 10-20 p a kg would get you better lambs about £4-12 pounds in a normal situation on 40 kg , diet wether there is muck in the pen - gut fill ,travel distance ,wool cover, wet/ dry fleece lots of factors also different markets all make a difference . In a store sale suffolk x mule lambs will make as much as continental cross lambs this because they have equal profit margin potential to the finisher some of these buyers finish 1000's of lambsDo you actually read the market reports or go to a market, the premium is there for those producing the goods, when you see these top end lambs making up to £120 when your ordinary lambs are at £70 I think you would be getting a worthwhile return for the little if any extra labour required to produce them.