Electric cars long term owners

john 650

Member
Livestock Farmer
your use is not really normal I’m sure you would agree ? not many are doung800 miles in 1.5 days very often

if I was in your situation I wouldn’t even consider EV


I believe the average car dies 80 miles a week ?


our EV is doing 20,000 a year, 180-200 miles a day on weekdays and for that it works absolutely perfectly


Have been doing typical days similar to that, twice a month or so. Works out alot less than 13ppm- even charging at expensive units. Am sure I've posted further back up this thread with a similar breakdown.
 

willyorkshire

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
East Yorkshire
Looked at it but preferred the Volvo version. Couldn’t stand the iPad dashboard. Why do you think it’s better?
Only imo, looks better, designed as electric car rather than conversion. Much further range. Great to drive. Moved from long line of LR/RR products and so far not disappointed. Very different though. I hate the whole modern 'dealer experience' so all online with one of their demo days to try it. Amazingly easy with one docusign to complete ie one signature and delivered to my home.
My brother had xc40 diesel. Got rid after a year, hated it.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Have been doing typical days similar to that, twice a month or so. Works out alot less than 13ppm- even charging at expensive units. Am sure I've posted further back up this thread with a similar breakdown.

we home charge 99% of the time overnight on cheap electricity so mostly avoid the cost of commercial chargers on the road
 

john 650

Member
Livestock Farmer
Only imo, looks better, designed as electric car rather than conversion. Much further range. Great to drive. Moved from long line of LR/RR products and so far not disappointed. Very different though. I hate the whole modern 'dealer experience' so all online with one of their demo days to try it. Amazingly easy with one docusign to complete ie one signature and delivered to my home.
My brother had xc40 diesel. Got rid after a year, hated it.
Trying the Polestar 2 next week. Looking forward to it. Q4 E-tron, and ID 4 not available to order for delivery before Q2 2023 at the moment, from what dealers told me yesterday- component factory for the Q4 Etron/ID4/Enyak in Ukraine, and has taken a hit...

Polestar and E-tron available on 4-5 month lead times, Tesla Model Y depends on spec. MB EQC 2-3 months.

Kia EV6 looking at Jan 2023 delivery. Sounds a great car on paper, for the money.

Mind you, the VW dealer (Sinclair VW- large multi site dealer) had a Golf and a Tiguan in the show room, both with a poster on them, along the lines of "This is the last new Golf we have in stock- and we're not able to sell, as we need to keep a display vehicle on show. We're not able to accept orders on a new vehicle at the moment, but we can add you to a list to let you know when we can". Strange times when they can't even get hold of the most popular cars in the country...
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Looked at it but preferred the Volvo version. Couldn’t stand the iPad dashboard. Why do you think it’s better?

@Chris F runs a polestar, I’ve been a passenger in it for many mikes and I really rate it

just don’t mention how much slower than a Taycan, Etron rs or Tesla it is though 🤪. He needs a head start when our bunch of friends go out for a curry !
 

Chris F

Staff Member
Media
Location
Hammerwich
Looked at it but preferred the Volvo version. Couldn’t stand the iPad dashboard. Why do you think it’s better?

Volvo is a nicer cabin I'd agree. But its also another £10k when I got the Polestar. Think @cricketandcrops has a Polestar too. It's been a really solid car for me. Great in bad weather. Very, very easy to drive. Very solid. Has actual butttons rather than just an android screen. APP is pretty woeful - but getting better. P3 looks to be a very nice car.
 

Chris F

Staff Member
Media
Location
Hammerwich
Trying the Polestar 2 next week. Looking forward to it. Q4 E-tron, and ID 4 not available to order for delivery before Q2 2023 at the moment, from what dealers told me yesterday- component factory for the Q4 Etron/ID4/Enyak in Ukraine, and has taken a hit...

Polestar and E-tron available on 4-5 month lead times, Tesla Model Y depends on spec. MB EQC 2-3 months.

Kia EV6 looking at Jan 2023 delivery. Sounds a great car on paper, for the money.

Mind you, the VW dealer (Sinclair VW- large multi site dealer) had a Golf and a Tiguan in the show room, both with a poster on them, along the lines of "This is the last new Golf we have in stock- and we're not able to sell, as we need to keep a display vehicle on show. We're not able to accept orders on a new vehicle at the moment, but we can add you to a list to let you know when we can". Strange times when they can't even get hold of the most popular cars in the country...

Model Y wasn't available when I got the Polestar. Interested to see what you think. I would probably have gone Model Y at the time. But the P2 is a very solid car. 15k miles in and it's great.
 

john 650

Member
Livestock Farmer
Volvo is a nicer cabin I'd agree. But its also another £10k when I got the Polestar. Think @cricketandcrops has a Polestar too. It's been a really solid car for me. Great in bad weather. Very, very easy to drive. Very solid. Has actual butttons rather than just an android screen. APP is pretty woeful - but getting better. P3 looks to be a very nice car.
Audi APP is the worst thing about E-tron driving... So unreliable, but a key part of the car... So frustrating to set the car to charge, only to find the APP has crashed, and cancelled the charge...
 

Chris F

Staff Member
Media
Location
Hammerwich
Audi APP is the worst thing about E-tron driving... So unreliable, but a key part of the car... So frustrating to set the car to charge, only to find the APP has crashed, and cancelled the charge...
You don't even need the APP for the Polestar. So it doesn't matter its rubbish. I have it on my phone to check battery status and use it sometimes to pre-warm the car.
 

john 650

Member
Livestock Farmer
Model Y wasn't available when I got the Polestar. Interested to see what you think. I would probably have gone Model Y at the time. But the P2 is a very solid car. 15k miles in and it's great.

Can't get a test drive in the Model Y so far, and all I get from Tesla is "it's the same as a Model 3, only taller", which doesn't fill me with confidence- albeit I liked the M3. Think it's going to be too small for what I need- model 3 certainly is, and worry the PS2 will be too...
 
Coal makes up about 10% of the USA's power generation. In the UK renewable energy is a lot higher, up to 40% and is climbing annually.

E=mc^2 doesn't show that at all - the full equation would, but it'd more appropriate to use Newton's equations.

Manufacturing an electric car is very environmentally impact, but so is making a petrol or diesel car. To make this an 'excellent breakdown' you'd actually need to compare the two life cycles. Ditto for the discussion on solar panels and wind farms - building a coal/gas/nuclear power station isn't without significant resource usage! Easiest way to compare resource use is cost, and renewables have been beating conventional energy on cost for years.

As I understand in, when assessing the lifetime energy costs, electric cars become better after 80k miles or so. Which is a slight improvement when car last ~150k miles. This should drop as efficiencies in mass production kick in, where ICE have a big head start.

A significant benefit not mentioned is removing air pollution from population centres.

Anyway, I wouldn't rate this as 'excellent'.

Cars need to be kept for a minimum of 10 years before they even begin to offset the energy involved in manufacturing them.
 

Chris F

Staff Member
Media
Location
Hammerwich
Can't get a test drive in the Model Y so far, and all I get from Tesla is "it's the same as a Model 3, only taller", which doesn't fill me with confidence- albeit I liked the M3. Think it's going to be too small for what I need- model 3 certainly is, and worry the PS2 will be too...

You get 4 adults in P2 easily. 2 normal sized dogs in the boot. Back seats go flat and I have put 180x80cm panes of glass in the back..

But cabin is based on volvo and has the transmission tunnel. So you do sit in a cockpit. I kind of like that. Feels more like a normal car than the Model 3.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
your use is not really normal I’m sure you would agree ? not many are doung800 miles in 1.5 days very often

if I was in your situation I wouldn’t even consider EV


I believe the average car dies 80 miles a week ?

That was an unusual trip for me - would probably happen half a dozen times a year with the normal being much less. Was interesting though to do a full to full check of fuel economy and see how it performed on a decent length of run.

Have been doing typical days similar to that, twice a month or so. Works out alot less than 13ppm- even charging at expensive units. Am sure I've posted further back up this thread with a similar breakdown.
My sympathies - I hate the long days like that. I would imagine that it would be less than 13ppm for an EV, but not sure it would have been possible with one for me, given the geography of the area, certainly not without adding a chunk of time to what was already a very long couple of days, and/or forcing me to stay in a second choice hotel.

Volvo is a nicer cabin I'd agree. But its also another £10k when I got the Polestar. Think @cricketandcrops has a Polestar too. It's been a really solid car for me. Great in bad weather. Very, very easy to drive. Very solid. Has actual butttons rather than just an android screen. APP is pretty woeful - but getting better. P3 looks to be a very nice car.

They seemed very similar on cost when I last looked, although that was a few months ago now.
 

willyorkshire

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
East Yorkshire
Trying the Polestar 2 next week. Looking forward to it. Q4 E-tron, and ID 4 not available to order for delivery before Q2 2023 at the moment, from what dealers told me yesterday- component factory for the Q4 Etron/ID4/Enyak in Ukraine, and has taken a hit...

Polestar and E-tron available on 4-5 month lead times, Tesla Model Y depends on spec. MB EQC 2-3 months.

Kia EV6 looking at Jan 2023 delivery. Sounds a great car on paper, for the money.
Look on their website. There's an option to buy/lease a preconfigured car. I managed to secure exact spec without too much trouble, delivered within a month. Would've preferred leather over vegan interior but it was massive cost option. Turns out the seats wipe down fine anyway. Perhaps someone shouldn't eat chocolate whilst driving! She likes it too!
Only one of your listed cars comes close/better on range. Tesla no doubt good, just don't like the 3.
Only went electric because it stacks up financially. Little tax, charge at home for free. Maybe that will change when 3 years is up. Who knows. Who thought wheat price would double or fert price would quadruple.
 

john 650

Member
Livestock Farmer
Look on their website. There's an option to buy/lease a preconfigured car. I managed to secure exact spec without too much trouble, delivered within a month. Would've preferred leather over vegan interior but it was massive cost option. Turns out the seats wipe down fine anyway. Perhaps someone shouldn't eat chocolate whilst driving! She likes it too!
Only one of your listed cars comes close/better on range. Tesla no doubt good, just don't like the 3.
Only went electric because it stacks up financially. Little tax, charge at home for free. Maybe that will change when 3 years is up. Who knows. Who thought wheat price would double or fert price would quadruple.
Yeah see there's preconfigured cars in the system- will rely on the lease company my company work with though... The 2023 model E-tron is rumoured to have another 100mile range, and launching mid 2022.
 

Chris F

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Media
Location
Hammerwich
Yeah see there's preconfigured cars in the system- will rely on the lease company my company work with though... The 2023 model E-tron is rumoured to have another 100mile range, and launching mid 2022.

I saw that, battery going to 100kw, an extra 20KW (ish). Same is true for the Polestar P3. Which is a 25% increase in battery size. The extra 100 miles is optimistic I'd say. I run at about 33kw per 100 miles in my car. But it will certainly make them more useable, just as the Model S is right now.
 

Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
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john 650

Member
Livestock Farmer
I saw that, battery going to 100kw, an extra 20KW (ish). Same is true for the Polestar P3. Which is a 25% increase in battery size. The extra 100 miles is optimistic I'd say. I run at about 33kw per 100 miles in my car. But it will certainly make them more useable, just as the Model S is right now.
Yeah extra 100 miles is optimistic, as is the current 250. If it gives it another 50-70 it might be worth the extra wait though.
 

Poorbuthappy

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
That's better than most then - range 25 miles ??
We have the small battery model, which has an official range of 250 miles. Winter range is obviously a lot lower (we didn't spec the heat pump), but I would expect to get close to official range in summer.
Towing the 750kg livestock trailer appears to cut range nearly in half, though I haven't worked it out in terms of kwh used, which would be more accurate as I've simply gone off mileage range predictions of the car, which won't be very accurate for odd trips with the trailer.
I think it may be slightly better than I'm giving it credit for currently.
 

Robt

Member
Location
Suffolk
Trying the Polestar 2 next week. Looking forward to it. Q4 E-tron, and ID 4 not available to order for delivery before Q2 2023 at the moment, from what dealers told me yesterday- component factory for the Q4 Etron/ID4/Enyak in Ukraine, and has taken a hit...

Polestar and E-tron available on 4-5 month lead times, Tesla Model Y depends on spec. MB EQC 2-3 months.

Kia EV6 looking at Jan 2023 delivery. Sounds a great car on paper, for the money.

Mind you, the VW dealer (Sinclair VW- large multi site dealer) had a Golf and a Tiguan in the show room, both with a poster on them, along the lines of "This is the last new Golf we have in stock- and we're not able to sell, as we need to keep a display vehicle on show. We're not able to accept orders on a new vehicle at the moment, but we can add you to a list to let you know when we can". Strange times when they can't even get hold of the most popular cars in the country...
Friend has just got a Kia ev6 after having a bmw i3 little thing for four years. She said it’s a better car in terms of range etc but it’s so boring to drive
 

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