Establishment decision

[Clive]

Not sure how I'm going to establish my OSR this autumn ...........................

I don't have a big area due to my 5 crop spring rotation plan but where it is planned was wheat that was treated with late applied Atlantis

Its light sandy land and I fear residual problems ??

I would love to go straight in to the chopped stubble as I think maybe moisture conservation could be key to OSR establishment this year, I would also not disturb so much weeds seed.

alternative is to run carrier over it and then roll / pray for a chit, spray and drill. would this shallow cultivation really make much difference though to potential residual chemical ??

or should I not worry and just zero til it as I would like to ?

 

[Daniel]

Plough and combi drill, answers all problems...... except speediness and fuel per acre!

 

[Clive]

Plough and combi drill, answers all problems...... except speediness and fuel per acre...................soil carbon destruction, soil biology devastation, soil structure demolition, soil moisture loss, weed seed resurrection, om burial ..................!

edited no thanks !

 

[Andy Howard]

Can you not go and plant an area of the field by hand now in a double overlap and see how it grows? If it is yellow in mid august you know you have a problem.

 

[Clive]

Can you not go and plant an area of the field by hand now in a double overlap and see how it grows? If it is yellow in mid august you know you have a problem.

did this on saturday as a guide - my worry is it may start to grow but them pick up the atlantis latter and die ?

 

[Davos]

did this on saturday as a guide - my worry is it may start to grow but them pick up the atlantis latter and die ?

Might sound a bit daft but, why not fill a large plant pot with topsoil and then grow it at home ,the reason being that if the weather returns to drought conditions again at least you can water the soil and let it grow in near ideal conditions,and with a large concentration of topsoil ,that, in a few weeks will probably give you a faster response than grown in the field.

 

[Andy Howard]

did this on saturday as a guide - my worry is it may start to grow but them pick up the atlantis latter and die ?

I have not experienced a problem with atlantis before but appreciate last spring was very wet and this has been dry. Is there not a residue test that can be done?

 

[doorknob]

I have found that some chems do break down very quick when exposed to the sun's rays and aeration. It may also be the temperature increase of the soil when exposed.

Its of course your decisions, but I have been burned enough now with pesticide residual on rotations, that if I have any doubt at all, I will do some for of shallow disturbance.

And yes, I do try to plan ahead and have made note several times to the agronomists that we are using conservation planting methods. But with no-till and conservation so new to them, they only have the label for reference and it turns out the label is not always right with plant back intervals in our soil types and cec.

IMO, I would have a look at the acid level needed to break down the chem as per the label, then decide if it coincides with your soil test results. Some of the chems that I use do state on the label that when used above 7.0 ph, the residual interval must be lengthened.

 

[rob1]

If you could use some seed straight off the heap it won't cost you much and if it dies you could still drill barley/wheat again, but don't forget to let us know so we can do it with confidence next year Have the same problem with Kula applied to SB/SW just going to drill a acre or so with some left over seed this Autumn and then spring rape if its ok

 

[Clive]

If you could use some seed straight off the heap it won't cost you much and if it dies you could still drill barley/wheat again, but don't forget to let us know so we can do it with confidence next year Have the same problem with Kula applied to SB/SW just going to drill a acre or so with some left over seed this Autumn and then spring rape if its ok

I got thinking this way about it as well, trouble is this block of land is bad for charlock so I had planned a clearfield variety

life is never simple ! will see how the test bits I just planted grow this next few weeks

 

[Robigus]

Not sure how I'm going to establish my OSR this autumn ...........................

I don't have a big area due to my 5 crop spring rotation plan but where it is planned was wheat that was treated with late applied Atlantis

Its light sandy land and I fear residual problems ??

I would love to go straight in to the chopped stubble as I think maybe moisture conservation could be key to OSR establishment this year, I would also not disturb so much weeds seed.

alternative is to run carrier over it and then roll / pray for a chit, spray and drill. would this shallow cultivation really make much difference though to potential residual chemical ??

or should I not worry and just zero til it as I would like to ?

Get @Martin Lole to come and do a demo!

 

[Clive]

Get @Martin Lole to come and do a demo!

will just germinate my charredkock on drilling day then !

 

[Robigus]

will just germinate my charredkock on drilling day then !

Your Charlock sounds a lot more troublesome than ours.

 

[Clive]

Your Charlock sounds a lot more troublesome than ours.

Spell checker thinks I have a different issue it seems !

 

[RBM]

I would be cautious this year Clive if Atlantis has been applied late as we haven't had the conditions (enough rainfall, soil microbes etc) to break Atlantis down, you might get away with it with the Dale.

The other issue, which may not apply to you in this case is that as crops may have been fairly open or thin more went on to the soil rather than foliage this year.

We certainly aren't going to be ploughing but I do have some similar concerns.

 

[DrWazzock]

Plough and combi drill, answers all problems...... except speediness and fuel per acre!

Hate to say it, but yes it does, provided you get enough rain after drilling to get it motoring.

You can "get away with" other approaches but in our experience they will never allow the crop to reach its full potential due to lazy rooting and slow start.

 

[Martin Lole]

Hi Clive
I have the solution, I will phone you to arrange with you the premiere viewing/demo of the machine on your farm asap.

 

[Simon Chiles]

Not sure how I'm going to establish my OSR this autumn ...........................

I don't have a big area due to my 5 crop spring rotation plan but where it is planned was wheat that was treated with late applied Atlantis

Its light sandy land and I fear residual problems ??

I would love to go straight in to the chopped stubble as I think maybe moisture conservation could be key to OSR establishment this year, I would also not disturb so much weeds seed.

alternative is to run carrier over it and then roll / pray for a chit, spray and drill. would this shallow cultivation really make much difference though to potential residual chemical ??

or should I not worry and just zero til it as I would like to ?

Go on and dd it. You know you want too! Seriously though if you are concerned about the residual there is always another wild solution..... don't plant rape.

 

[Clive]

Go on and dd it. You know you want too! Seriously though if you are concerned about the residual there is always another wild solution..... don't plant rape.

I have cut osr from 600ac to just 80 in favour of spring break crops - would live to drop the weed all together but need to speed harvest workload a bit

 

[Clive]

Hi Clive
I have the solution, I will phone you to arrange with you the premiere viewing/demo of the machine on your farm asap.

Sounds interesting Martin - call me !!!