Extinction, the facts BBC.

[S J H]

Is shipping soya from Brazil any different to shipping wood pellets from Louisiana to fuel Drax power station???

That doesn’t count because it’s called biomass.

 

[Muddyroads]

Too wet, not enough sun?

If only we could find a way to change the climate a bit.......

 

[Roger Perry]

If only we could find a way to change the climate a bit.......

OK, ask Elon M to position a large mirror in low earth orbit to direct the suns' rays towards your farm, this can be paid on a subscription service...........say at harvest you need 3-4 weeks heat, just tap in your password/account number and relax..............

 

[kiwi pom]

If only we could find a way to change the climate a bit.......

The climate varies across the UK of course. What you can do in the south of England is different to the north of Scotland.
I'd have parts of the UK would have suited them?

 

[BigBarl]

By rights none of should be buying products from supermarkets containing Palm oil, buying only soya And OSR oil from sustainable sources and meat only reared on grass and by-products. Good luck finding all that out in the supermarket. I tried not to buy anything with palm oil in for a while after watching another attenborough documentary but it’s damn near impossible. Plus, soya gets all the bad headlines for cattle feed but it’s only one of many broad-acre arable products like UK grown barley or wheat used for the exact same purpose. Sustainably produced beef to me means only using Grazing land unsuitable for cultivation of human edible species (eg steep hillsides, rough moors etc) or utilising cover crops in between human edible species during the rotation.
I love a steak but we probably do need to reduce our meat consumption globally.There are only so many hectares to produce a finite amount of grains / vegetables / fruits etc and taking the example of a tonne of wheat grown in the UK then it’s far more efficient to mill that tonne and bake it into bread than it is to feed to it to a cow that wastes a lot of that energy walking around etc before yielding beef.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

We are doomed.
It is due to greed and everyone is guilty.
The only sustainable existence is that of the 'natives'. The Aborigines, native Americans etc, knew how to care for the Earth and let it care for you.
As soon as you want any 'extras', it comes at a cost. You are removing the planets assets in a tiny but cumulative way.
I wonder if their is enough hospitable area of the planet for everyone to live in subsistence?.......
The main guilt of agriculture is being able to feed so many people who have no concern for their planet and spend their whole life draining its resources.

 

[delilah]

The answer is, It's complicated. Do you really expect anyone to know how much of one crop would be grown, if one of its uses was removed?

For sure, I acknowledged in earlier posts that it is complicated.
There is no absolute truth in anything to do with food production, just various peoples different versions of the truth.
The repeated, ongoing failure of agriculture is that we are hopeless at getting our version of the truth across.
Not because many of us as individuals don't do so, but because our national representative bodies are fudgin useless at doing so, with their continuing response being to apologize. What other industry apologizes for its existence ?

 

[delilah]

The answer is, It's complicated. Do you really expect anyone to know how much of one crop would be grown, if one of its uses was removed?

A simple question then:
Are UK livestock fed any whole soya beans ? Or just the meal that is left over once the oil has been extracted for human consumption ?

 

[Ukjay]

Soy: food, feed, and land use change

The global growth in the production of soy and its use for different types of foods has been, and continues to be, a major contributor to land use change in the Amazon and other regions in South America. This building block explores the connections between soy, land use change, and discussions...

www.foodsource.org.uk

FCRN Blogs | Food Climate Research Network (FCRN)

www.fcrn.org.uk

 

[Two Tone]

A FACT can only be an undeniable truth.
Therefore there only Two FACTS:
We are born and we all die.
Everything else is conjectur.

David Attenborough‘s reputation is going (Has gone!) down the tube.
The Beeb have resorted to sensationalsim is to try to attract any audience.

I don’t deny there is a problem, but it wont attract my audience with such tripe.

 

[Kevtherev]

Greed&Waste are the root cause.

 

[Poorbuthappy]

FCRN Blogs | Food Climate Research Network (FCRN)

www.fcrn.org.uk

Well thats totally at odds with the Sustainable food trust's findings which they say are taken from government figures.

Are dairy cows and livestock behind the growth of soya in South America? | Sustainable Food Trust

Soya fed to dairy cows contributes to the destruction of rainforests, however grass-fed dairy offers a more sustainable alternative

sustainablefoodtrust.org

 

[Henarar]

For sure, I acknowledged in earlier posts that it is complicated.
There is no absolute truth in anything to do with food production, just various peoples different versions of the truth.
The repeated, ongoing failure of agriculture is that we are hopeless at getting our version of the truth across.
Not because many of us as individuals don't do so, but because our national representative bodies are fudgin useless at doing so, with their continuing response being to apologize. What other industry apologizes for its existence ?

The truth of what is good and bad in food production [as in the farming bit of it] is easy but to see it folk need to stop watching tv programs like the one this thread is about and open their eyes look around and think about it.
food production both animal and vegetable was going on on earth sustainably [well as sustainable as anything is on a planet that will not exist in a habitable state for long in the grand scheme of things] long before us feckwits thought we knew better.
The answers lie in the world around us both now and in the past, I won't use the word natural because everything is natural and everything we do is natural so it would be better to say "without human interference"
Look to things as they are/were before we stuck our noses in
And following our great leader and shagging anything with a pulse and making more of us interfering idiots is not the answer, mind you them on that other tv program about farming are no better, so that brings me back to the point that watching telly won't give you the answer, [nor will shagging but its usually more entertaining]

 

[N.Yorks.]

I got a different message.

That already farmed land, a large percentage should still be farmed sustainably though.

It is clear the situation is extremely serious & will reduce living standards for generations to come.

It is very easy to look at others & say they should change. The only solution is to look at ourselves & try to be as sustainable as possible.

It is very sad where we are & although I can think of many improvements,but really the situation is hopeless.

We may be need to reconsider the way we see accumulation of possesions as sucess, easy said I know especially by someone wealthy like myself.

Bang on the nail, except I don't think the situation is hopeless. If we understand the situation and get on changing for the better.

Problem is people don't like change and some don't like the feeling they are being told what told do......

 

[N.Yorks.]

I did not watch the programme as thought it would be same 'blame it on the cows' that has been pushed this last couple of years.
In my opinion no government in the world dare take the action necessary to control climate change, it would wreck the economy and be so unpopular they would soon be out of power. Imagine a manifesto commitment to limit flights and cut car use and unnecessary consumption- sure fire loser.
There seems to be a plan to cut meat consumption, use the land to plant trees and all will be fine.
I heard Mark Drayford today saying home working should continue in Wales where possible to help the environment whereas conservatives wanting everybody back to save city centre businesses.
Difficult decisions need to be taken balancing the economy and the environment which, at this time, no one wants to take so they blame the cows

I think what you say is correct, but the question of balance is about what level of economy do we want in the future balanced against what we want now? Are we really prepared to have chaos in the future just because we want a business as usual economy today?

 

[Northern territory]

A FACT can only be an undeniable truth.
Therefore there only Two FACTS:
We are born and we all die.
Everything else is conjectur.

David Attenborough‘s reputation is going (Has gone!) down the tube.
The Beeb have resorted to sensationalsim is to try to attract any audience.

I don’t deny there is a problem, but it wont attract my audience with such tripe.

I haven’t had much regard for him for a while now. You are dead right about Facts. We seem to see Fact used more and more when we all know it can be anything but.

 

[puppet]

Just looked cupboards and fridge and no soya listed but half have rapeseed oil including the cooking oil which is 100%.

This was on a thread last year. Our sucklers eat grass in summer and silage in winter. Only young stock get hard feed supplement.
Have a look at Sustainable Food Trust article Are dairy cows and livestock behind the growth of soya in South America?
Pigs and poultry consume 90% of soya meal and 1kg of meal gives 60l of milk compared to only 7.5l of soya milk.
There must be a place for our marketing bodies to come up with some figures?

 

[N.Yorks.]

a lot of uk livestock is fed imported soya

I thought it was a good documentary- fact is if we carry on as we are doing this planet is toast. We can see these effects now, westher extremes and pandemics - nature is fighting back !

we don’t want to face it but our production of food is damaging, we should stop fighting criticism and see it as opportunity to find and provide solitions to this massive problem that oir customers want a solution to

Spot on !! Good on you - I agree 100%, and I know a lot of others do too.

 

[Mr Mackay]

what programme was this then ?
you'd all be happier listening to the cricket

Great game - I only watched the highlights but Morgan gets then going

 

[Clive]

Did you not read my post.
More soya is used for human consumption than animal feed in the UK

where is that number from ?
and how is it calculated ? if a chicken is fed soya and them chicken is fed to a humsn is that human consumption?

there are a LOT more animals in the uk thsn people