F**k business

[Jackov Altraids]

The UK makes a great deal of money from services. I disagree with the core assumptions of your post. Just because someone does not create something physical does not mean it is worthless to the economy.

The UK sells services abroad in all directions.

I didn't say it was worthless and I would go as far to say it is essential.
My core generalisations are correct.
The service industry relies very heavily, if not completely dependent on other industries creating tangible products to create its work and wealth.

 

[stewart]

If the EU want to fall out with the uk we will simply become the worlds biggest tax haven and destroy their economy

Anyone who has ever visited Monaco, cayman, IOM etc will understand that tax havens do ok and people who live there have an economy WAY beyond their resources

Lot of hot air this Brexit stuff, a deal will be done, it will be done last min (as good deals always are) and within a decade it will be looked back upon as the best thing the uk ever did. As long as they have balls the uk holds all the cards here given what it could do to the rest of Europe at the stroke of some simple tax changes

But I also bet that 10 yrs from now there will be some saying it won’t happen and Walter will still be posting about what a disaster it will be !

Most tax havens are small countries with a small population,Monaco,Cayman Islands et al. The UK is the exact opposite,with a population of 60m + it is very unlikly to reduce tax rates to such a degree that you can "destroy their economy" the reverse could easily happen,all it would take is for the finacial sector of the UK that is currently run from the City of London to move to Dublin and the UK econny would suffer dramatically. Easy to do, all it takes is an office and a few computers.

 

[Walterp]

I didn't say it was worthless and I would go as far to say it is essential.
My core generalisations are correct.
The service industry relies very heavily, if not completely dependent on other industries creating tangible products to create its work and wealth.

I sincerely doubt this (although I, too, once thought the same).

There is no reason why a country cannot off-shore manufacturing, whilst retaining design and engineering services. Law, finance, architecture, etc represent an even clearer example of this ability.

You are , perhaps, conflating the desirability of retaining physical manufacturing within a country with the ability to do without it.

It can be done - I'm not saying that it is, necessarily, a Good Idea.

 

[Walterp]

Interesting thread - in no other country than England would a Minister of State go around suggesting that business should get f**cked.

And be approved by many farmers.

What is this but the face of contemporary English nationalism? I have seen no other explanation for it, nor has any been proffered.

 

[Hindsight]

I sincerely doubt this (although I, too, once thought the same).

There is no reason why a country cannot off-shore manufacturing, whilst retaining design and engineering services. Law, finance, architecture, etc represent an even clearer example of this ability.

You are , perhaps, conflating the desirability of retaining physical manufacturing within a country with the ability to do without it.

It can be done - I'm not saying that it is, necessarily, a Good Idea.

Bringing a farming aspect back into the thread is that not what Mr Dyson's main business does?

 

[Hindsight]

Interesting thread - in no other country than England would a Minister of State go around suggesting that business should get f**cked.

And be approved by many farmers.

What is this but the face of contemporary English nationalism?

You are trying to rouse a rabble and put a red rag to the bull I fear here. But the initial line with the various Ministers now - as Mr Hunt alluded same but was more polite in not employing expletives - of a 'anti business' in respect of 'upsetting the Tory political issue with Brexit and delivering to UK voters' approach of various Tories is disturbing and I suspect the machinations over Brexit will be remembered into the future in Tokyo, Seoul, Hamburg and other major centres of business for years to come.

 

[stewart]

Interesting thread - in no other country than England would a Minister of State go around suggesting that business should get f**cked.

And be approved by many farmers.

What is this but the face of contemporary English nationalism? I have seen no other explanation for it, nor has any been proffered.

Is that the same Minister of State who offered to lie down in front of the bulldozers at Heathrow then went walkabout when it came to voting on the issue. Gutless prxck

 

[caveman]

Is that the same Minister of State who offered to lie down in front of the bulldozers at Heathrow then went walkabout when it came to voting on the issue. Gutless prxck

The bulldozers haven't gone in yet.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

hahaha ummm pays to. know what yer ordering

Where do you find this stuff

 

[stewart]

The bulldozers haven't gone in yet.

Not yet and if Bojo had the courage of his convictions and voted against the runway they may not go for in.

 

[Pond digger]

Interesting thread - in no other country than England would a Minister of State go around suggesting that business should get f**cked.

And be approved by many farmers.

What is this but the face of contemporary English nationalism? I have seen no other explanation for it, nor has any been proffered.

You could cherry pick little gems from any country’s politics, and find someone making a complete tit of themselves. I don’t think anyone (even an Englishman) would condone such comments.

 

[Superted820]

Yeh ok. Not silly for undercharging. Great point well put.