- Location
- Galloway
Letter.in from vet today £40 includes dinner hav e to look into it don't think QMS requires yet
FABBL Beef Herd Health plan
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gone up the hill
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- Location
- Devon
You certainly sound much more chilled out lol about added costs from farm assurance compared to the H+S one's like the telehandler course you were made to go on!
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
It must have fancier lunches at the venue they’ve picked. It might still be good value.
It really is box ticking for the sake of it though, again. Lord knows what they’d do if Granny wanted to suck eggs, ‘cos that course title is already taken.....
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Not at all. This particular ‘course’ is only £10-15 more than the the pub lunch & pint would cost, and only takes a couple of hours, much of which will be spent having a laugh with my neighbours.
The telehandler course was the best part of a day, at a cost of several hundred quid (and I had to take my own lunch!).
Both are a totally unnecessary extra cost to the business imo, but at least this one won’t be quite as painful.
Fat cattle are £150-200/hd down. I’m struggling trying to recover that loss so I don’t need some scheme telling me I have pay £50 here, £100 there and so it goes on for NO EXTRA RETURN. There’s scores of people living out of me but not one of them wants me to make a sensible margin.
I certainly don’t need to inject an orange to show I’m competent after over 40 years of injecting stuff.
RT is a runaway train that no one can find the brake for. I’m really not interested in doing more until I get A RETURN for it.
I certainly don’t need to inject an orange to show I’m competent after over 40 years of injecting stuff.
RT is a runaway train that no one can find the brake for. I’m really not interested in doing more until I get A RETURN for it.
matthew
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- Location
- Cornwall, SW England
That sounds reasonable.
£60 plus VAT here. Held in the vet’s surgery, so do I ask or free bottles of Pen Strep and Alamycin LA ..... just for practice of course?
Fleas on a dog’s back.
primmiemoo
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- Location
- Devon
My G&G knapsack sprayer course cost £200, and I wasn't even given lunch! Utter, utter, utter waste of a day and a half - on-farm test, too - and a complete rip off.
I had my vet & meds course when I was 16. A partner in the Vet's practice taught me how to safely administer injections and medicines to equines and ovines over the course of a year's visits. When cattle came back into the system, he taught me how to treat them.
His practice has benefitted from my custom for decades. I don't mind demonstrating that I know how to inject, drench, stitch, lance, and keep medicines and equipment properly, but I'll be insulted if I'm expected to pay for training.
I had my vet & meds course when I was 16. A partner in the Vet's practice taught me how to safely administer injections and medicines to equines and ovines over the course of a year's visits. When cattle came back into the system, he taught me how to treat them.
His practice has benefitted from my custom for decades. I don't mind demonstrating that I know how to inject, drench, stitch, lance, and keep medicines and equipment properly, but I'll be insulted if I'm expected to pay for training.
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
I do about 1500 injections annually and have done for the last 40+ years with not one broken needle or accident.... well....apart from injecting myself two or three times doing subcutaneous on jumpy cows.
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
It will probably teach me how to do a risk assessment plan. I guess this plan, for both injecting vaccines and TB testing, to simply say "DON'T DO IT. IT'S TOO RISKY". A certificate and 'qualification' will not eliminate that risk.Will a course stop you injecting yourself with “jumpy cows”?
No, thought not
Apparently and according to the assurance assessor, this rubbish was brought in after much lobbying for it by the NFU, because some sectors of people who know it all wanted to ban farmers from administering anything themselves and forcing vets to do it all. They should have done that so I had another excuse to get out of the job sooner rather than later.
- Location
- Shropshire
That bloody med course!
Remember Quinney saying how great it was at an NFU meeting and how we needed to do cpd on injecting properly etc.
My vet was guest speaker and i asked him, in front of Quinney about what cpd they had as a vet in terms of jabbing animals correctly. He said it was covered in the first lecture at vet school then never taught again. I asked him why he thought I was qualified to jab cattle properly and he said “because I’ve shown you how to do it on your farm in the past and you have a brain”
Incidentally, I actually think an annual health plan is a good idea, although I don’t think the vets should be charging £200 for it.
My vet charges his standard hourly fee
Remember Quinney saying how great it was at an NFU meeting and how we needed to do cpd on injecting properly etc.
My vet was guest speaker and i asked him, in front of Quinney about what cpd they had as a vet in terms of jabbing animals correctly. He said it was covered in the first lecture at vet school then never taught again. I asked him why he thought I was qualified to jab cattle properly and he said “because I’ve shown you how to do it on your farm in the past and you have a brain”
Incidentally, I actually think an annual health plan is a good idea, although I don’t think the vets should be charging £200 for it.
My vet charges his standard hourly fee
- Location
- Bedfordshire
No I just went by there template online.
sticky
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- Location
- Near Stratford upon Avon
I thought it says somewhere that it has to be reviewed by your vet.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Maybe @S J H makes a good cup of tea? ?
Vet review, including AB usage review, is a requirement now, but his just slipped past the inspector I suspect.
matthew
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- Location
- Cornwall, SW England
AFAIK, the certification has to be since 2016. Which makes it even more of a rip off, given that over time, you've done more injections and vax procedures than many young vets have had hot dinners.
primmiemoo
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- Location
- Devon
Hrrrumph! I'll just have to see if a compromise can be reached, then.
What happens when I authorise a helper to treat an animal at a very busy time? Will my certificate cover anyone under my supervision, or will each need one?
Surely anyone who has done a livestock course at an Ag college was shown this by a vet and if they have gotten to this point without being shown by a vet they have done enough by now to know how too.
Maybe it is time to start asking all these smart arse's who love to tell us what to do about their certs and what makes them qualified to keep shitting on us.......
One of the many dumb things which sums up FA is when they wanted me to tell my father who had cut cabbage for 60 years that he needed training on how to cut cabbage, I did ask the auditor who should I get to train him, and if my father should train him first if he had more experience before he trained my father but that went down like a fart in a lift and started a conversation about my attitude and me being childish which ended with me taking the custard creams off the table and replacing them with rich tea.
Maybe it is time to start asking all these smart arse's who love to tell us what to do about their certs and what makes them qualified to keep shitting on us.......
One of the many dumb things which sums up FA is when they wanted me to tell my father who had cut cabbage for 60 years that he needed training on how to cut cabbage, I did ask the auditor who should I get to train him, and if my father should train him first if he had more experience before he trained my father but that went down like a fart in a lift and started a conversation about my attitude and me being childish which ended with me taking the custard creams off the table and replacing them with rich tea.
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
Yes. You are meant to supervise and take resposibility for training and ensuring correct procedures on the farm. So at present only one need be ‘qualified’. However, obviously that could change in future.
Years ago we had a new vet work at our practice. Not a newly qualified vet, just new to the practice. We had a cow down and he decided that she needed a phosphor injection. Obviously this is a 250cc to 500cc injection, intravenous through a flutter valve. Could he find a vein in the neck or even the milk vein? Could he heck! The poor cow was like a pin cushion by the time he eventually succeeded. It was painful and embarrassing to watch. He could well be teaching people by now.
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