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Not sure if this has been posted already? -
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40673559
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40673559
Farm subsidies must be earned.......
- Thread starter Sonoftheheir
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Depends what he means by "earned".
I suspect he means staying in bed and allowing a nettle bed to take over the "environment strip" so that we can have more of those pretty red admiral butterflies. That would be known as "delivering environmental goods".
Personally I'd rather see a tidy crop to the edge of the field, do my job properly and leave the nature conservation to the professional nature reserves which I do support and agree with, actually. I just don't want weeds and vermin on my place. They have a habit of spreading, getting out of hand and detracting from the job of food production in terms of time, efficiency and labour and management resource.
I suspect he means staying in bed and allowing a nettle bed to take over the "environment strip" so that we can have more of those pretty red admiral butterflies. That would be known as "delivering environmental goods".
Personally I'd rather see a tidy crop to the edge of the field, do my job properly and leave the nature conservation to the professional nature reserves which I do support and agree with, actually. I just don't want weeds and vermin on my place. They have a habit of spreading, getting out of hand and detracting from the job of food production in terms of time, efficiency and labour and management resource.
Jackson4
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- Wensleydale
Just read that, quite a balanced peice for the bbc.. they even put and 'in their view' in brackets refering to radical environmentalists leaving trees to grow in the uplands! Jesus the activist hacks must be having a day off ready for their weekend rant.
As for 'subsides must be earned' i would think most on here would think if anyone in the public services worked for so little money per hour, little or no pension, so much responsibility, no spare labour and doing what contractors would have done a few years ago, some no or very little time off, most dangerous sector, etc etc their unions would be up in arms and it wouldnt be allowed. Christ cement bags have to be 12.5kg yet most farmers and wallers would be catching/lifting 2 or 3 times this weight routinely.
In an era of 'activist' groups and naive back to the 70's revolutionaries there is no point telling the truth, look at Corbyn, you have to be a good politician and lie, in this respect Gove is in the top percent, a lying deicetful backstabing twit and so who knows.. he could be on the farmers side.
As for 'subsides must be earned' i would think most on here would think if anyone in the public services worked for so little money per hour, little or no pension, so much responsibility, no spare labour and doing what contractors would have done a few years ago, some no or very little time off, most dangerous sector, etc etc their unions would be up in arms and it wouldnt be allowed. Christ cement bags have to be 12.5kg yet most farmers and wallers would be catching/lifting 2 or 3 times this weight routinely.
In an era of 'activist' groups and naive back to the 70's revolutionaries there is no point telling the truth, look at Corbyn, you have to be a good politician and lie, in this respect Gove is in the top percent, a lying deicetful backstabing twit and so who knows.. he could be on the farmers side.
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Courier
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- M62 - M1 - M18 triangle
A farmer[1] (also called an agriculturer) is a person engaged in agriculture, raising living organisms for food or raw materials. The term usually applies to people who do some combination of raising field crops, orchards, vineyards, poultry, or other livestock.
I don't see anything about encouraging wildlife in the wiki description, but then again wiki tells us that Michael Gove was once a member of the Labour Party.
I don't see anything about encouraging wildlife in the wiki description, but then again wiki tells us that Michael Gove was once a member of the Labour Party.
I am not surprised to see this announcement, the current method of delivery ends up with Landowners.
If the policy is carried out in a sensible manner I see no problem.
There is an ideal opportunity to suggest what is "value", we must be very careful that the environmental lobby don't hijack it.
There is a good case to be made for a reasonable level of payment to those who meet the current general binding rules - equally no payment if you wish to farm fence to fence with no recognition of field margins.
If the policy is carried out in a sensible manner I see no problem.
There is an ideal opportunity to suggest what is "value", we must be very careful that the environmental lobby don't hijack it.
There is a good case to be made for a reasonable level of payment to those who meet the current general binding rules - equally no payment if you wish to farm fence to fence with no recognition of field margins.
Basic land payments are immoral ---no arguments there i think?
If the taxpayer funds something he/she wants value for money ---sounds right to me
Farmers/landowners get £3Bn in support --- if we get £2Bn in the future in return for delivering something tangible/measurable/acceptable to the paymaster (public) then we will be doing well
The gravy train has left ----welcome to the real world (even the NFU now accept this)
If the taxpayer funds something he/she wants value for money ---sounds right to me
Farmers/landowners get £3Bn in support --- if we get £2Bn in the future in return for delivering something tangible/measurable/acceptable to the paymaster (public) then we will be doing well
The gravy train has left ----welcome to the real world (even the NFU now accept this)
Andy54
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- derbyshire
Blimey guys. Heard this on the news and thought i better come and have a look at TFF before it melts. 6 posts, is everybody having a lie in or have we all already accepted that this is going to be the new reality.
Tarw Coch
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- Bottom of Wats Dyke
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- South Wales UK
Get your Social benefits claim forms ready .
Campbell
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- Location
- Herefordshire
JLR Shares nose dive. 
no landowner needs or can justify support - if you own land you are wealthy and there is no argument that could ever justify the taxpayer contributing more to your wealth
Farmers being paid to deliver environmental benefit or lower cost food is not the same as the above
As farmers we would all be MUCH better off if land ownership was no longer subsidised, I've been saying this for years.......................
It's been done to death on here already.
BTW, the subsidy goes to whoever farms the land on 15th May ( here in Wales anyway )
That's more likely to be the tenant rather than the landowner ?
- Location
- Chipping Norton
Welcome to post Brexit Agriculture! Seeing as most farmers voted for it, I'd expect very little complaints. If the UK government is bankrolling UK agriculture, expect the same burocracy as other public services... it'll make the eu look like a kids tea party...
- Location
- Northumberland
Wow, what with this and your comment on the Steak thread this morning, you must really know your way around the swear filter...
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- Northumberland
Us farmers have generations of experience of jumping through hoops to follow the rules that the current regime requires to claim subsidy.
I don't see that what is proposed will be wildly different to that.
I don't see that what is proposed will be wildly different to that.
- Location
- Cumbria
They (the lunatics) already have done, some time ago