Farm subsidies.. Yay or nay

[Lowland1]

Good thinking. If you limp a bit you can claim disability allowance.

 

[Bossfarmer]

You wouldn’t know what a true businessman was if it bit you on the arse!

and i suppose you would, are you giving your sfp to charity or something just now?

 

[turbo]

and i suppose you would, are you giving your sfp to charity or something just now?

No but I am not the one who is for ever complaining that they might take your subs away

 

[Bossfarmer]

No but I am not the one who is for ever complaining that they might take your subs away

so farmers should just sit back say nothing and accept it while the treasury moves the funds elsewhere and we all end up working for peanuts?

 

[fgc325j]

so farmers should just sit back say nothing and accept it while the treasury moves the funds elsewhere and we all end up working for peanuts?

We are already working for peanuts!!!

 

[turbo]

so farmers should just sit back say nothing and accept it while the treasury moves the funds elsewhere and we all end up working for peanuts?

Give one good reason why you deserve more money than anyone else?

 

[Flower Power]

I remember reading a posting from a TFF member in France, where they stated that if a farmer's income
from farming is less than 50%, then they do not get any farming subsidy. So i can only assume that there
exists an Eu protocol, where farmer's incomes are checked before a subsidy is payed out.
I cannot see UK farmer's welcoming that with open arms

This also applied for English farmers via the Active Farmer rule, however in England it was watered down so that more farmers qualified as being "Active". As long as a farmer had more than 36ha they automatically qualified regardless of other income.

 

[fgc325j]

they looked at capping payments in the UK, also giving higher calf headage subs to smaller beef farmers but it was decided that it was unfair to punish those who had expanded, its the whole point of business is to strive to improve your profits

I remember, when headage payments were suggested by the EU, that payments would limited to
the first 90 steers on a registered holding. taking into account that the avg. suckler herd in the UK
is around 40 head, then that would be considered adequate by some.

 

[Bossfarmer]

Give one good reason why you deserve more money than anyone else?

i dont but as long as our competition is getting them we should be too

 

[turbo]

i dont but as long as our competition is getting them we should be too

Come off it,as soon as anyone talks about subs you’re on here with your hand out! I am still waiting for a good case why you should get subs rather than steel workers or the miners,just because others get it doesn’t mean we should.what have you done to make your business better placed if we do lose our subs?

 

[Henarar]

Come off it,as soon as anyone talks about subs you’re on here with your hand out! I am still waiting for a good case why you should get subs rather than steel workers or the miners,just because others get it doesn’t mean we should.what have you done to make your business better placed if we do lose our subs?

how about a reason why his business shouldn't get subs and all the other businesses that get them should

 

[Bossfarmer]

Come off it,as soon as anyone talks about subs you’re on here with your hand out! I am still waiting for a good case why you should get subs rather than steel workers or the miners,just because others get it doesn’t mean we should.what have you done to make your business better placed if we do lose our subs?

So you think we should let uk ag go the same way as the steel workers and miners? Ive done plenty what have you done?

 

[turbo]

how about a reason why his business shouldn't get subs and all the other businesses that get them should

I must admit if the general public was to read what he puts on here no of us would get a penny

 

[Bossfarmer]

I must admit if the general public was to read what he puts on here no of us would get a penny

If they were to read what you put on theyd think we dont want or need a penny

 

[Henarar]

I must admit if the general public was to read what he puts on here no of us would get a penny

but I wonder what they pick up every day both in money and services

 

[digger64]

i dont but as long as our competition is getting them we should be too

but we don't get headage payments in England ,but you do- I assume that's ok in your eyes

 

[Bernardbean]

Subsidys want scrapping, I hand all mine back to the landowner and pay rent on top, so no subs all we'd do is just pay rent.....

 

[primmiemoo]

I would give the payment to every business claiming the SFP today irrespective of size so if you've got 50 acres well done, 20,000 acres tough luck (You've still got 20,000 acres though). It's just an idea but I do think it would probably allow some people to get a start.

There would have to be means to prevent trading and gaming the system, or that would soon be distributed very differently.

 

[Bossfarmer]

but we don't get headage payments in England ,but you do- I assume that's ok in your eyes

yes because its taken out of our area payment meaning we get less per acre, are you not aware of that?

 

[Bossfarmer]

Subsidys want scrapping, I hand all mine back to the landowner and pay rent on top, so no subs all we'd do is just pay rent.....

you cant expect not to pay rent unless you buy the land