Farmer Roy's Random Thoughts - I never said it was easy.

[CornishTone]

Not sure of the best thread to put this in, of the few I dip into.

Really interesting piece on the Jeremy Whine Show yesterday on his regular "What Makes Us Human" slot. Not the usual wishy washy b0llocks!
Prof Steven Jones, renowned geneticist made some fascinating points. Well worth a listen if you've got half an hour spare.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p084tzwd

 

[onesiedale]

Not sure of the best thread to put this in, of the few I dip into.

Really interesting piece on the Jeremy Whine Show yesterday on his regular "What Makes Us Human" slot. Not the usual wishy washy b0llocks!
Prof Steven Jones, renowned geneticist made some fascinating points. Well worth a listen if you've got half an hour spare.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p084tzwd

+1
It certainly made me sit up and listen

 

[onesiedale]

Today I was asked to give a presentation on 'Grass Utilisation' as part of the catchment sensitive area's delivery on water quality and diffuse pollution prevention/management.

The speaker before me had talked about soil structure and how to manage it/improve it. He gave us the conventional ADAS research that demonstrated we need lots of HP and subsoiling, paraplowing and fertilizers to get our soils healthy again.
NOT ONCE did he refer to any form of life in our soils!
In his eyes, the soil is just a substrate that you use to carry nutrients (which you buy) to feed your grass. He tipped me over the edge when one of his research slides confimed a reduction in earthworm population, 'but that's ok, because after 4 or 5 years the worm numbers started coming back up again'

I'd prepared a sequence of photos of our system here that was going to form the basis of a good discussion that could have gone off at many tangents.
However, me and technology don't really mix well. The memory stick was missing my selection of photos .☹
On the memory stick though, was this image;

The irony was though that this one image made more sense than his entire reductionist presentation.
I used this slide to dig me out of a very embarrassing hole, highlighting how my cows can do a better job of soil structure than all of his tractors, machines and RB 209 recommendations.
I do hope that everyone learnt something

 

[Bury the Trash]

she had far more idea than most of the cretins that have come since and would never have signed us up to the sh!t treaty that major did and we would still be in the EU

Not sure of the best thread to put this in, of the few I dip into.

Really interesting piece on the Jeremy Whine Show yesterday on his regular "What Makes Us Human" slot. Not the usual wishy washy b0llocks!
Prof Steven Jones, renowned geneticist made some fascinating points. Well worth a listen if you've got half an hour spare.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p084tzwd

interesting bloke

 

[CornishTone]

Today I was asked to give a presentation on 'Grass Utilisation' as part of the catchment sensitive area's delivery on water quality and diffuse pollution prevention/management.

The speaker before me had talked about soil structure and how to manage it/improve it. He gave us the conventional ADAS research that demonstrated we need lots of HP and subsoiling, paraplowing and fertilizers to get our soils healthy again.
NOT ONCE did he refer to any form of life in our soils!
In his eyes, the soil is just a substrate that you use to carry nutrients (which you buy) to feed your grass. He tipped me over the edge when one of his research slides confimed a reduction in earthworm population, 'but that's ok, because after 4 or 5 years the worm numbers started coming back up again'

I'd prepared a sequence of photos of our system here that was going to form the basis of a good discussion that could have gone off at many tangents.
However, me and technology don't really mix well. The memory stick was missing my selection of photos .[emoji852]
On the memory stick though, was this image;
View attachment 860836
The irony was though that this one image made more sense than his entire reductionist presentation.
I used this slide to dig me out of a very embarrassing hole, highlighting how my cows can do a better job of soil structure than all of his tractors, machines and RB 209 recommendations.
I do hope that everyone learnt something

My colleague and I were asked to give a presentation on soil health and the like to a group of MSc students at the RAU a couple of weeks ago. We usually do this presentation as a double act but unfortunately I couldn’t make it so my colleague did it by himself. He couldn’t believe the reaction a) from the students, who just lapped up the soil and grazing info, full of engaging questions and discussion, and b) the lecturer who was furiously taking notes! We’ve been asked to do it again next year with a field practical.

It does make you wonder what is being taught and who is doing the teaching!

 

[onesiedale]

The delivery is very often the problem, it is often so blinkered that any form of 'outside the box' thoughts are beaten into submission by convention. Then all that happens is . . .
. . . more of the same

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Today I was asked to give a presentation on 'Grass Utilisation' as part of the catchment sensitive area's delivery on water quality and diffuse pollution prevention/management.

The speaker before me had talked about soil structure and how to manage it/improve it. He gave us the conventional ADAS research that demonstrated we need lots of HP and subsoiling, paraplowing and fertilizers to get our soils healthy again.
NOT ONCE did he refer to any form of life in our soils!
In his eyes, the soil is just a substrate that you use to carry nutrients (which you buy) to feed your grass. He tipped me over the edge when one of his research slides confimed a reduction in earthworm population, 'but that's ok, because after 4 or 5 years the worm numbers started coming back up again'

I'd prepared a sequence of photos of our system here that was going to form the basis of a good discussion that could have gone off at many tangents.
However, me and technology don't really mix well. The memory stick was missing my selection of photos .☹
On the memory stick though, was this image;
View attachment 860836
The irony was though that this one image made more sense than his entire reductionist presentation.
I used this slide to dig me out of a very embarrassing hole, highlighting how my cows can do a better job of soil structure than all of his tractors, machines and RB 209 recommendations.
I do hope that everyone learnt something

Yes, how the feck did everything work so well before IC engines and fertiliser
I get a similar response on here if I give the hornets nest a kick, soil is just something to drive about on and animals are something to nurse into a productive state

do you mind if I pinch your photo of Daisy preparing lunch?

 

[onesiedale]

Yes, how the feck did everything work so well before IC engines and fertiliser
I get a similar response on here if I give the hornets nest a kick, soil is just something to drive about on and animals are something to nurse into a productive state

do you mind if I pinch your photo of Daisy preparing lunch?

No problem with using Daisy's grassland management image
. . . of course, other methods of management are available and these come with scientific research studies to prove that they work

 

[onesiedale]

This gets worse! Just looked up the research that this sward lifting malarchy was all about. Here's an extract from the exec. summary

.and here's the cost of it all

FFS! £¾ million

 

[graham99]

Can the World Find Solutions to the Nitrogen Pollution Crisis?

More and more nitrogen keeps pouring into waterways, unleashing algal blooms and creating dead zones. To prevent the problem from worsening, scientists warn, the world must drastically cut back on synthetic fertilizers and double the efficiency of the nitrogen used on farms.

e360.yale.edu

Couple of years old now, popped up in my FB feed so thought I'd best share it, see what the thoughts are

ETA that was written before this article https://news.cornell.edu/stories/20...5D3JopNE8bUaFFZHAdhHtIlpg5Bf3iKMpX6TZ3A7YywzI

I remember reading a post by @SilliamWhale on the subject but couldn't remember which thread it was

i am sure after watching our diary farmer's drench cows ,with urea , and getting a production boost .
our beef farmers will just start putting their urea into a meat patty

 

[Kiwi Pete]

i am sure after watching our diary farmer's drench cows ,with urea , and getting a production boost .
our beef farmers will just start putting their urea into a meat patty

Exactly, and then pee on their feet about the ingredients in "fake' meat, where it comes from, and the health risks involved

 

[TelesnaAg]

Exactly, and then pee on their feet about the ingredients in "fake' meat, where it comes from, and the health risks involved

Got any data that shows elevated N levels in beef from urea applied ground with a 21 day exclusion period?

Or are you stereotyping again....???

Ant...

 

[Farmer Roy]

https://www.facebook.com/100013072218059/posts/861509160961483

 

[Farmer Roy]

Flat-earther puts up sign on a beach. Tries to prove conspiracy theory

'Flat-earthers' are resorting to old school techniques, presumably because the government are spying on them with chemtrails, and jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

www.indy100.com

 

[Ukjay]

Looks like they are still living on and believing in TP World

Last one off the disc, please pull the plug!!

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Flat-earther puts up sign on a beach. Tries to prove conspiracy theory

'Flat-earthers' are resorting to old school techniques, presumably because the government are spying on them with chemtrails, and jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

www.indy100.com

I wonder what the data says

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

I wonder what the data says

Is that out the front of your beach house Pete

 

[Ukjay]

I wonder what the data says

Well, if the data shows the earth is now flat, then will it prove Walking on the Moon never happened as well...

I suppose data could have changed since 2017 ?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Is that out the front of your beach house Pete

It's not very flat out there! Bit lumpy today.
I had to go out and reset the circuit breaker and was surprised at the swell given it's such a cracking day here

 

[bitwrx]

Today I was asked to give a presentation on 'Grass Utilisation' as part of the catchment sensitive area's delivery on water quality and diffuse pollution prevention/management.

The speaker before me had talked about soil structure and how to manage it/improve it. He gave us the conventional ADAS research that demonstrated we need lots of HP and subsoiling, paraplowing and fertilizers to get our soils healthy again.
NOT ONCE did he refer to any form of life in our soils!
In his eyes, the soil is just a substrate that you use to carry nutrients (which you buy) to feed your grass. He tipped me over the edge when one of his research slides confimed a reduction in earthworm population, 'but that's ok, because after 4 or 5 years the worm numbers started coming back up again'

I'd prepared a sequence of photos of our system here that was going to form the basis of a good discussion that could have gone off at many tangents.
However, me and technology don't really mix well. The memory stick was missing my selection of photos .☹
On the memory stick though, was this image;
View attachment 860836
The irony was though that this one image made more sense than his entire reductionist presentation.
I used this slide to dig me out of a very embarrassing hole, highlighting how my cows can do a better job of soil structure than all of his tractors, machines and RB 209 recommendations.
I do hope that everyone learnt something

Bit depressing isn't it?

Had a pair of consultants here as part of the local catchment sensitive farming effort. They did some soil pits and amongst other things compared last year's pig fields with a bit of PP less than 50m away.

The pig field has been turned over by pigs for 2 yrs out of 6 since 1999 (followed by the plough), and before that was part of the plough-based reseeding regime for the dairy. The PP hasn't seen any cultivation since before we got here in '86. The difference in stone/chalk content was discussed: loads in one, none in the other. Adas guy's reasoning? Must be a different soil type.

Nothing to do with the vastly different management for nigh on 35 years.

We were also advised that if we wanted to arrest runoff, we could run a plough along a contour so the open soil could catch the runoff.

I was really looking forward to the visit from the expert consultants, and was really miffed that I was too busy on the day. Dad had to cover it. In the end I'm glad it worked out how it did. I think I would have exploded at some points.