Farmer Roy's Random Thoughts - I never said it was easy.

[graham99]

It costs maybe an extra $5 per animal for an EID tag over a standard tag. You don't need a reader but it is helpful, and it has positive spinoffs... Stupid and expensive is therefore the perfect conclusion.

how so .there are a lot of inncent diary farmers pulling there pants down to take a rogering from the go getter farmers who are going to be compansated to the tune of 100 million.
which hopefully is in dought thanks the nats mis manageing the earth quakes .
this new 6 billion blow out is going to cane every one.
and i bet 6 billion number is a feel good number for the people with there head in the sand

 

[graham99]

Also, the sheep EID system I think has really hurt the credibility of their ability to run a peeup in a brewery, would that be fair to say @silverfox?
As a kiwi, now Tb interests me and concerns me a lot - I really do not know how they can justify not doing everything that is feasible to do something about an obvious public health issue and keep their jobs - a wise man said to me the other day about "a lack of connected thinking"?

do not me started on TB .
TB was almost gone and then we had the dairy push ,that spread it every where

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

What, is the water going to jump up and bite me if I'm standing there watching it?

They put the road closed signs up and more traffic goes around the sign to see why the road is closed than would normally go down the road while it's open!

Ah, but you have the sense (it seems) Not to drive through the dangerous bits

"But it's a Ford officer, I have a right to drive through it!"

I have many more photos like it

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Also, the sheep EID system I think has really hurt the credibility of their ability to run a peeup in a brewery, would that be fair to say @silverfox?
As a kiwi, now Tb interests me and concerns me a lot - I really do not know how they can justify not doing everything that is feasible to do something about an obvious public health issue and keep their jobs - a wise man said to me the other day about "a lack of connected thinking"?

Because, sadly, there are few votes in defeating TB but more in "protecting" badgers that are, by DEFRA figures, 5 to 8 times more populous than in 1976 and are the main wildlife vector here.

It's also fair to add, though, that many farmers could massively improve their biosecurity and general management as well.

 

[graham99]

I haven't ventured in for a look either but surely the larger dairies over there would have them for individual ration feeding

and that individual feeding might have something to do with there profitablitly.
in thirty years we have gone from low cost grass feeding to high cost factory farms .
and the words to big to fail are starting to rear there ugly head.

 

[graham99]

I understand the traceability side of the argument, but that’s happening already with the paper system. Like it or loath it, it’s the envy of bureaucrats the world over!

It seems the real advantage in the EID system from the farmers point of view is the ability to track the animals performance between birth and sale and adjust its management accordingly to get the best out of each beast, and of course increase efficiency of recording in larger operations. In order to do this and make the most of the technology though you need the reader, scales, draughting gear and software in the office etc etc, which is expensive, especially for the smaller producers who may not see a return on the investment.

So if the only selling point the British government can come up with is to make their life easier, I can kinda see why farmers would be reluctant. No one does anything simply to make life easier for the desk jockeys!

many years ago in kiwi land .
we had farmers with an eye for stock who didn't need much more than an animals blood lines .
to breed stock that were cheap to raise.
we also had a lot farmers who would doctor records to suit there needs .
there only ever did once around me.
i can be quite blunt with no key board to limit me

 

[Blaithin]

TB is a hard disease to understand.

The Canadian cattle herd is TB free, but our wildlife isn’t. There are known herds of wild bison, deer and elk that have TB. So why do our wild ungulates not spread it massively amongst themselves and our cattle? Yet badgers and UK cattle are rife with it?

Something doesn’t add up. Unless it’s just another helpful benefit of hard winters.

 

[waterbuffalofarmer]

how so .there are a lot of inncent diary farmers pulling there pants down to take a rogering from the go getter farmers who are going to be compansated to the tune of 100 million.
which hopefully is in dought thanks the nats mis manageing the earth quakes .
this new 6 billion blow out is going to cane every one.
and i bet 6 billion number is a feel good number for the people with there head in the sand

Thanks for that very graphic description!

I wouldn't worry too much about it tbh, the future is the future, anything can change on a day to day basis. No matter what happens farmers will always be the ones left at the bottom of the barrel and yet they are the backbone of every country. Pity no one sees that

 

[hendrebc]

Its not just farmers who dont want eid. The official paper pushing unemployable monkeys in the offices were this paper is shuffled about dont want it either. If theres no paper to shuffle about they dont have a job so they make everyone know about every disaster thats ever been involved with eid anywere in thenworld and make it sound scary and unreliable. They are as much if not more to blame than any farmer about opposing eid. Their jobs were made up to give snowflakes out of university with a sh!t made up degree a job anyway so they arent getting a job anywere else. Theyd have to do a proper job that they think is below them its no wonder they dont want paper pushing to stop.
We already do eid for sheep its been compulsory since about 2009. There was some moaning but not a lot it was just done. It will happen with cattle as well. No one will see a benefit to it unil there is some disease that needs tackling quickly loke we had foot and mouth in 2000. That would have been over much quicker with no tags at all than it was with the normal tags and paper trail. They were too busy shuffling paper insteas of actually culling animals to stop it spreading they had to get the army in with a jfdi attitude or the whole country would have gone down with it
As for why tb isnt being taken care of. Its become a political football. Some political parties say they will sort it out by doing a badger cull to get rid of the tb infected wildlife that keep reinfecting cattle (thats already working really well) and then another party comes along and says they will stop it to keep the bunny huggers happy we dont have a badger cull in wales thanks to our stupid devolved labour government so tb gets worse every day here
There are a lot of jobs revolving around tb testing and shuffling paper around too. So there is no desire to get it eradicated from that end either
Dictator carwyn jones has stood down though which is more than overdue after 20odd years in power. Jumped before he was pushed
Maybe he reads this thread

 

[waterbuffalofarmer]

TB is a hard disease to understand.

The Canadian cattle herd is TB free, but our wildlife isn’t. There are known nerds of wild bison, deer and elk that have TB. So why do our wild ungulants not spread it massively amongst themselves and our cattle? Yet badgers and UK cattle are rife with it?

Something doesn’t add up. Unless it’s just another helpful benefit of hard winters.

Could be to do with how they're kept. Over here badgers are massively overpopulated and mix freely with cattle. They're a protected species, beats me why they still are tbh, but so they are. I think it's all about livestock systems more than anything tbh, pasture management, badger management also. But it doesn't help cows on intensive systems. I think (this is merely my own humble opinion tho) that in order for TB to be less of a problem the UK needs more outdoor systems, resort back to hardier breeds, Fresian are bad news tbh. Cut down badger population and bingo. Milk prices go up because there isn't too much milk being produced, not that there's enough being produced ATM anyway but that's a different subject altogether. Less diseases as cows are out at pasture a lot. Badger and deer levels are lowered meaning healthy population in the wildlife. It balances everything out. All it needs is the first step

 

[hendrebc]

TB is a hard disease to understand.

The Canadian cattle herd is TB free, but our wildlife isn’t. There are known herds of wild bison, deer and elk that have TB. So why do our wild ungulates not spread it massively amongst themselves and our cattle? Yet badgers and UK cattle are rife with it?

Something doesn’t add up. Unless it’s just another helpful benefit of hard winters.

Would your bison and elk be in the same fields as cattle? Badgers would be in the same fields every night sniffing around and coughing up th from their lungs all over the grass cattle eat and into their water troughs and all over their mineral or feed blocks too. And were there are tb in badgers there are LOTS of them. Theyre in hedges everywere like rabbits wrecking the place

 

[waterbuffalofarmer]

Would your bison and elk be in the same fields as cattle? Badgers would be in the same fields every night sniffing around and coughing up th from their lungs all over the grass cattle eat and into their water troughs and all over their mineral or feed blocks too. And were there are tb in badgers there are LOTS of them. Theyre in hedges everywere like rabbits wrecking the place

They're also contributing to the destruction of the UK hedgehog too. Maybe that's an arguement to push at the bunny huggers. So they want cute hedgehogs to become extinct do they? Badgers, hate to say it but needs must, are evil! I had a friend who said that her son was chased down the lane on his way back from school by a badger. People think they're so cute and cuddly do they? I wonder what would happen if they were put into a room filled with them? Sorry but this subject really gets to me!!

 

[texas pete]

Apparently it (RFID) will achieve nothing that paper doesn't already achieve, and the costs make it prohibitive, and it is the NFU's fault that the Earth is a sphere..

In short, build an ark and find a friend



That's roughly it, put another 15 pages of fake news in usual TFF style and there you have it.

But the Earth is flat you fool.

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

I haven’t looked at the Eid thread, and try and keep out of any arguments on here now, but what you guys need to understand is that farmers over here have had a belly full of the rules and regs, all benefiting the government or supermarkets. Meanwhile they do nothing about the real problem of TB in the wildlife.
We were testing yesterday .( Mrs was very lucky not to get hurt, but that’s another matter), and the vet was very despondent about no progress in our area. One step forward then two back, with most farms going down then maybe clear for 6 months, then down again.
How about we trap all the badgers and stick double tags in their ears, so we can monitor their frigging movements and health status.
Anyway , I’ll wish you good morning and leave you to it.
Really how it rains soon for you that need it.
We have family in Kyabram Victoria

There is no more red tape or work involved.....you just put a tag in as a calf...couple of dollars.....big deal.


Ky is only an hour and a half from me

 

[CornishTone]

They're also contributing to the destruction of the UK hedgehog too. Maybe that's an arguement to push at the bunny huggers. So they want cute hedgehogs to become extinct do they? Badgers, hate to say it but needs must, are evil! I had a friend who said that her son was chased down the lane on his way back from school by a badger. People think they're so cute and cuddly do they? I wonder what would happen if they were put into a room filled with them? Sorry but this subject really gets to me!!

Badgers are not evil! Anthropomorphism is the biggest stumbling block in your quest to control the wildlife vector. Idiots giving animals human traits is what got you into this position in the first place.

Badgers are just out being badgers, doing what badgers do. They are as much a victim as the cattle at the end of the day, it’s a shite, lingering, miserable death for them as well.

They are no different to foxes or rabbits, their numbers just need to be controlled. Stick to the facts and keep emotion out of it!

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

They are no different to foxes or rabbits, their numbers just need to be controlled. Stick to the facts and keep emotion out of it!

Agreed

They have no natural predator controlling their numbers and are now way out of hand.

I know a few urban folk who feed them in their gardens

 

[waterbuffalofarmer]

Badgers are not evil! Anthropomorphism is the biggest stumbling block in your quest to control the wildlife vector. Idiots giving animals human traits is what got you into this position in the first place.

Badgers are just out being badgers, doing what badgers do. They are as much a victim as the cattle at the end of the day, it’s a shite, lingering, miserable death for them as well.

They are no different to foxes or rabbits, their numbers just need to be controlled. Stick to the facts and keep emotion out of it!

alright, alright keep ya knickers on! Maybe I should have rephrased that... Yes TB is a horrific disease for any animal, as it is for human beings. What these activists don't realize is that by doing what they're doing they are actually being cruel, in that they are willing to let the badgers suffer in their attempts to ''save'' the animals in question. But I am also willing to bet any number of anything that even if you showed them what happens to TB infected badgers, still wouldn't make any difference to how they are working... They would shout.. Vaccines. Ok you pay for it then!

 

[CornishTone]

alright, alright keep ya knickers on! Maybe I should have rephrased that... Yes TB is a horrific disease for any animal, as it is for human beings. What these activists don't realize is that by doing what they're doing they are actually being cruel, in that they are willing to let the badgers suffer in their attempts to ''save'' the animals in question. But I am also willing to bet any number of anything that even if you showed them what happens to TB infected badgers, still wouldn't make any difference to how they are working... They would shout.. Vaccines. Ok you pay for it then!

My knickers are firmly in place thank you! And I’ll bet you any amount of anything that “these activists”, along with any number of others that need to be convinced, read forums like this and statements like that don’t do your cause any favours! The industry needs to be professional, stick to the facts and not be drawn into the emotional BS of it all, because that’s exactly what “these activists” want. The moment you say badgers are evil, they get to paint you as a badger hating farmer who just wants to kill Mr Brock for sh1!s and giggles!

Don’t worry, I get equally f**ked off by people making statements like “foxes kill for fun”. No they don’t!!!!

 

[texas pete]

Ah, but you have the sense (it seems) Not to drive through the dangerous bits
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"But it's a Ford officer, I have a right to drive through it!"

I have many more photos like it

Nice Pic.

I can remember as a young lad, a group of us egging a mate on to drive through a ford "it's not that deep, just give it some" Well it was deep and his car was fu*cked, a write off, he was not amused to put it lightly.

 

[Farmer Roy]