Fendt 313/312 tractor warrenntee

[Martyn]

Not even sure we she should be looking at any type of new tractor but after a couple of major repair bills on our older style JD in the last twelve months we are taking a closer look at our running costs. We have always ran JD and have a very good local dealer, but the above fendt with a 8 year 4000h warranty caught my eye. Have never even sat in s fendt befor, dont know a thing about them other than its good well build german gear. What is agco like for warrenty work? people around here who own fendts seam to stick with them and many older ones around. Would be main tractor for silage work and cultivation, would replace a jd 7810 down grading to 135hp, does a vario box suck a lot of power up?

 

[Mouser]

Be more comparable to a 6410! Lovely wee tractor though.

 

[daveydiesel1]

Brill wee tractor but will be big change to 7810. Agco wouldnt be to bad but alot depend on your dealer. How do you find them?

 

[Fish]

I think for that work you need to be looking at the 500 range, 513/514.

We have a 516, great wee machine. Had it for 2 1/2 years, not been disappointed yet.

 

[Mur Huwcun]

A JD 7810 is gonna have to be minimum 718 or 720 equivalent not a little 3 series is it not? Maybe at a push a 516 as stated above.

 

[Sheepykid]

Not even sure we she should be looking at any type of new tractor but after a couple of major repair bills on our older style JD in the last twelve months we are taking a closer look at our running costs. We have always ran JD and have a very good local dealer, but the above fendt with a 8 year 4000h warranty caught my eye. Have never even sat in s fendt befor, dont know a thing about them other than its good well build german gear. What is agco like for warrenty work? people around here who own fendts seam to stick with them and many older ones around. Would be main tractor for silage work and cultivation, would replace a jd 7810 down grading to 135hp, does a vario box suck a lot of power up?

Depends really on a lot of things. Are you doing a large amount of silage or cultivation if not I’d say that as long as your implements are sized according to the tractor. An extra 5 minutes to cultivate a 10 acre field isn’t the end of the world. We’ve down sized from a 718 to a 516. And I don’t regret it. Yes some hills take longer to get up. But not so you’d notice. I was in the same situation as you, running old tractors was a really expensive game in the end. As the saying goes i think you either pay depreciation or repairs. You rarely can pay neither. Although I think that’s only true if your doing say more than 500 hours a year. Otherwise the depreciation sometimes out weighs the likely repairs doing a small amount of work on a older tractor.
Only my take it on it. I imagine I will be proven wrong though!!

 

[Martyn]

Depends really on a lot of things. Are you doing a large amount of silage or cultivation if not I’d say that as long as your implements are sized according to the tractor. An extra 5 minutes to cultivate a 10 acre field isn’t the end of the world. We’ve down sized from a 718 to a 516. And I don’t regret it. Yes some hills take longer to get up. But not so you’d notice. I was in the same situation as you, running old tractors was a really expensive game in the end. As the saying goes i think you either pay depreciation or repairs. You rarely can pay neither. Although I think that’s only true if your doing say more than 500 hours a year. Otherwise the depreciation sometimes out weighs the likely repairs doing a small amount of work on a older tractor.
Only my take it on it. I imagine I will be proven wrong though!!

Doing cutting, baling for about 300 acres a year and then cultivating work for 120-150acres annualy. Biggest power demand would be 3m verderstand drill.
Over last 5 years 7810 had around 22k spent on it, full engine rebuild, shaft snap and destroyed powe quad plus box castings, and other smaller bits. So ruffly £10 hour in breakdown costs. Probably hasnt depricated much, kept imaculate serviced on the dot by JD. Just aware its now 20 years old and a big break down mid summer costs us with reduced quality silage, or during tillage leads to crop in the grown late. Also cash flow nightmare when big bills come

 

[vantage]

Doing cutting, baling for about 300 acres a year and then cultivating work for 120-150acres annualy. Biggest power demand would be 3m verderstand drill.
Over last 5 years 7810 had around 22k spent on it, full engine rebuild, shaft snap and destroyed powe quad plus box castings, and other smaller bits. So ruffly £10 hour in breakdown costs. Probably hasnt depricated much, kept imaculate serviced on the dot by JD. Just aware its now 20 years old and a big break down mid summer costs us with reduced quality silage, or during tillage leads to crop in the grown late. Also cash flow nightmare when big bills come

Perhaps you should cost out the contractor option, 440 hours a year isn’t a lot.

 

[Martyn]

Perhaps you should cost out the contractor option, 440 hours a year isn’t a lot.

Good silage for milking cows and organic crops in ground in right weather conditions could pay for kit out right in season if we get it right or wrong!

 

[Sheepykid]

Doing cutting, baling for about 300 acres a year and then cultivating work for 120-150acres annualy. Biggest power demand would be 3m verderstand drill.
Over last 5 years 7810 had around 22k spent on it, full engine rebuild, shaft snap and destroyed powe quad plus box castings, and other smaller bits. So ruffly £10 hour in breakdown costs. Probably hasnt depricated much, kept imaculate serviced on the dot by JD. Just aware its now 20 years old and a big break down mid summer costs us with reduced quality silage, or during tillage leads to crop in the grown late. Also cash flow nightmare when big bills come

I know what you mean about the untimely large bills. But there is an argument there that have you finished with the big bills as you’ve recently done engine and gearbox? Might you have 5 trouble free and probably depreciation free years. Or is fatigue going to have set in on lots more things. I think the 500 series might be more the tractor for you. You might be able to get 513 and chip it up to a 516. Is there anyway you could off load two old tractors for one new one? Just that it might put more hours on it. Or make it more justifiable.

 

[vantage]

Good silage for milking cows and organic crops in ground in right weather conditions could pay for kit out right in season if we get it right or wrong!

We’ve managed to make good silage for 45 years with a contractor, first one 40 years, current one 5 years, reliability and communication is key.

 

[Martyn]

We’ve managed to make good silage for 45 years with a contractor, first one 40 years, current one 5 years, reliability and communication is key.

As tenants who started from scratch i can honestly say a poor crop of silage nearly finnish us, and that was down to contractors going off to do big guys work even though booked in days befor with ourselves, we use contractors for non weather dependable jobs like hedge cutting. Its part of our business control really, also we are growing so would expect for tractor hours as time goes on. Sometimes in business you dont take the highest profitable route but the one that gives the most consistent result.

 

[Martyn]

I know what you mean about the untimely large bills. But there is an argument there that have you finished with the big bills as you’ve recently done engine and gearbox? Might you have 5 trouble free and probably depreciation free years. Or is fatigue going to have set in on lots more things. I think the 500 series might be more the tractor for you. You might be able to get 513 and chip it up to a 516. Is there anyway you could off load two old tractors for one new one? Just that it might put more hours on it. Or make it more justifiable.

Totally agree but now things like injection leeking fuel at 18 months old and rear rams linking oil after new seals 2 years ago make me wonder if its time to move on. Would happily keep on with 7810 if it stays straight forward. Surprised how much Fendt has come back cheeper than equivalent JD with lot longer warrentee.

 

[Sheepykid]

Totally agree but now things like injection leeking fuel at 18 months old and rear rams linking oil after new seals 2 years ago make me wonder if its time to move on. Would happily keep on with 7810 if it stays straight forward. Surprised how much Fendt has come back cheeper than equivalent JD with lot longer warrentee.

Yeah. My 513 was a lot cheaper than equivalent 6135r. Maybe it was just what deals was available at the time though.

 

[daveydiesel1]

Totally agree but now things like injection leeking fuel at 18 months old and rear rams linking oil after new seals 2 years ago make me wonder if its time to move on. Would happily keep on with 7810 if it stays straight forward. Surprised how much Fendt has come back cheeper than equivalent JD with lot longer warrentee.

Would you tell us what tractors and spec your pricin and what price your bein quoted? If it was me and it was fendt or jd autopower and they were similar money id defo be goin fendt cause the resale value would be alot betr plus for drivers perspective the fendt is king of the castle and the rest will only ever be playin catch up

 

[danpwll]

id go for the 500, we have a 514 here, 5 years old, had a few problems with it but they have looked after us with warenty , nice to drive and bit enough to cope with a 5 furrow and 3 m combination, front and back mowers and can handle the bedder in the sheds !!

 

[Yale]

id go for the 500, we have a 514 here, 5 years old, had a few problems with it but they have looked after us with warenty , nice to drive and bit enough to cope with a 5 furrow and 3 m combination, front and back mowers and can handle the bedder in the sheds !!

Would you have another one?

(I think I know the answer.)

 

[danpwll]

yes ! when you get in the cab and drive it you forget about the problems !!

 

[Muddyroads]

Did you make a decision on this @Martyn? Going through a similar thought process myself.

 

[Treemover]

Martyn I had a similar problem with a fendt 818. I spend over €25000 once it passed 9000 hrs. But even though that seems a lot; it’s approx a years finance on a new tractor.
I could rent another brand for half that.

When the vario went on my tractor a really decent and honest man who runs a fair outfit told me not to take it bad; he had a jd 7710 that needed similar money on its powerquad.
You hear about bullet proof but components can and do fail. Your 7810 and my 818 would be considered bullet proof.

Totally agree it’s either repairs or repayments.
If you can rent/contact hire/lease/finance but do it without having to do 1-2k hrs per year; and one tractor look into all brands, warranties and options.

But I’d also agree with buying a tractor for small money to have as back up. It will give you options too.