Fertiliser price for those that miss it in Arable section

[neilo]

The Insurance you mentioned should cover that.

No costs ignored at all, they should be costed at contractors rates (even with your old gear), but I'm not keen of having others around the yard if renting out sheds.

Do you cost every acre at what it could be rented out for for veg or horse livery, and every shed what it could be rented out for?

Contractors operate at a profit, or try to. If you put everything in at contractor’s rates then you are putting that profit margin on the cost of each operation.

Wasn’t the old rule of thumb to use a ‘farmers’ cost’ of half contractors’ published rates?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I take it some have escaped all the storm damage recently then.......
The other thing to consider is they have a value if rented out/ used for some other purpose.
What other costs do we ignore ? mowing ? baling ?

NFU paying for storm damage

 

[M-J-G]

Contractors operate at a profit, or try to. If you put everything in at contractor’s rates then you are putting that profit margin on the cost of each operation.

Wasn’t the old rule of thumb to use a ‘farmers’ cost’ of half contractors’ published rates?

I was being falsely pedantic.
If owned land/sheds is to be charged at what it could potentially be rented out for, surely a person's or machine's time should be charged at what it could be charged out at. No?
People count in ways that suit their own agenda and way of thinking. For example, housing cows doesn't pay when you could sell straw on expensive years, but my heap of sh!t in the corner of next years wheat field has suddenly tripled in value, how does one allocate that cost/value to a particular enterprise.
How do you allocate the cost of housing cows earlier in order to save the ground for sheep, or late cattle turnout because the sheep have the place looking like it's in the middle of a nuclear winter?

Personally I tend not to get too bogged down in this type of thing, I used to, but I found it to be a waste of my life, and life is way too short as it is.
I look at it like I do the silage, it's either worth it or it isn't, if I'm working 3500 hours a year and I'm making 20k after costs I know it's not worth it, if I'm making 50, then that's more like acceptable but it's still not a great rate per hour.

 

[Flatlander]

I was being falsely pedantic.
If owned land/sheds is to be changed at what it could potentially be rented out for, surely a person's or machine's time should be charged at what it could be charged out at. No?
People cont in was that suit their own agenda thinking. For example, housing cows doesn't pay when you could sell straw on expensive years, but my heap of sh!t in the corner of next years wheat field has suddenly tripled in value, how does one allocate that cost/value to a particular enterprise.
How do you allocate the cost of housing cows earlier in order to save the ground for sheep, or late cattle turnout because the sheep have the place looking like it's in the middle of a nuclear winter?

Personally I tend not to get too bogged down in this type of thing, I used to, but I found bit to be a waste of my life, and life is way too short as it is.
I look at it like I do the silage, it's either wort it or it isn't, if I'm working 3500 hours a year and and making 20k after costs I know it's not worth it, if I'm making 50, then that's more like acceptable but it's still not a great rate per hour.

Far to many get caught up in saving a penny but loosing a pound. Your example of housing cattle early or selling straw is an easy way to see the money side but you’ve looked at the big picture of animal welfare,soil husbandry and nutrient management in one shot. knowing where to cut back and where to spend comes with years of learning by mistakes not crunching numbers in an office.

 

[Chickcatcher]

When all else fails "Derek" has knowledge of what I have in the shed about 150 barley and 900 wheat straw bales average Wt. 520Kg Krone baled

 

[Adam@Rumen]

Have been offered 4 loads of granular urea if anyone is needing any, artics only will have to check price

 

[neilo]

Have been offered 4 loads of granular urea if anyone is needing any, artics only will have to check price

I’ll need to check with my bank manager first, but I might be in a position to take 3 bags.

 

[digger64]

Dairy farmers have driven (or been violently chased) down the efficiency and productivity road, analysing costs to the penny to survive

Arable farmers play the sell sell sell waiting game to see how much profit they'll get above the cost of petrochemical inputs needed for any estimated yields

Breeding and finishing farmers can't even agree how to work out the cost to produce a bale of silage

Aye, this is more than a wake up call for many, and for those few of us that already experiment with grass varieties, work out dry matter, protein and energy yields per acre, and growth response to inputs, it's an ever worsening nightmare

Anyone want to take a stab at what feed prices will be next autumn when 30% of the world's wheat isn't available from Russia and the Ukraine?

Anyone want to predict the price of store cattle or lambs? Anyone want to suggest how to make a profit feeding £30 bales of 9.6ME 35% dry matter belly filler grown using £1000 a tonne fertiliser?

how many dry beef cows will one bale feed per day ?

 

[Anymulewilldo]

I’ll need to check with my bank manager first, but I might be in a position to take 3 bags.

Think I can stretch too a half bag, anyone want too share one?

 

[aangus]

how many dry beef cows will one bale feed per day ?

20ish

 

[Henarar]

Think I can stretch too a half bag, anyone want too share one?

Show off
Quarter to help you out

 

[digger64]

20ish

Thats what I thought, so bearing in mind increased crop and fuel costs its still probably as cost effective as anything else at £1.50 per day .Getting the cow liveweight/DMI down looks the way forward and eliminating straw costs .

 

[Derrick Hughes]

When all else fails "Derek" has knowledge of what I have in the shed about 150 barley and 900 wheat straw bales average Wt. 520Kg Krone baled

Is the barley winter or spring ?

 

[7610 super q]

Borrowed from FB........" NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF FARMING HAS IT BEEN MORE IMPORTANT TO SPEND 20 MINUTES SHAKING THE LAST BIT OF FERTILISER OUT OF THE BAG "

 

[Derrick Hughes]

So I spoke to a friend this morning, he's cutting cow numbers and just using 50 units N with Slurry

 

[Chickcatcher]

@Derrick Hughes, Spring

 

[Chickcatcher]

Have had my straw for sale at £35 a bale which = 67.31/ ton not moved any so obviously to expensive.
At harvest had it gone and I then bought the AN I needed, I may have got 28.2 tons AN for 180 tons of bales after cost of contractor who baled it.
If it were to go now it would take best part of 500 tons.
Oh well I am still a lot better off than so many others. I now have the AN in stock and still got the straw so am I ASSET RICH? or just damn lucky.
Someone may like it next year, wont be baling any this year as Straw barn full and I don't intend to stack it outside.
When people buy Standing crops for the straw dose it stack up? (no pun intended)

 

[organic]

Your straw - £67 per tonne on farm, add haulage - could be anything between £10 (locally) and £20 per tonne. So say £87 at the buyers farm.

Standing crops last season were, in the main, some of the best for some years. Could yield 12 to 14 decent size round bales per acre.

Say 12 to the acre which cost £100 equates to £8.50 per bale. Add baling and hauling @ £5.50 comes to £14 per bale.

Estimate each bale is 200kgs so 5 to a tonne. So around £70.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Your straw - £67 per tonne on farm, add haulage - could be anything between £10 (locally) and £20 per tonne. So say £87 at the buyers farm.

Standing crops last season were, in the main, some of the best for some years. Could yield 12 to 14 decent size round bales per acre.

Say 12 to the acre which cost £100 equates to £8.50 per bale. Add baling and hauling @ £5.50 comes to £14 per bale.

Estimate each bale is 200kgs so 5 to a tonne. So around £70.

It would cost well over £30 ton to get that Straw back to Wales and that's before the resent price hike in diesel , ok when delivered price is sensible , but when guys are selling Straw in Hereford for next to nothing then it undermines the trade , I'm very pessimistic about next winters Straw trade ,this will all backfire and livestock farmers will suffer for it , I hope I'm wrong

 

[Boohoo]

New price list out and apparently all prices are £1000 plus.
Have also heard of orders being cancelled by suppliers and refunds being issued for orders that were paid at the time of ordering. I'm starting to think there isn't anything available at any price.