Fertiliser Price Tracker

[DRC]

Collected some of mine today 20 miles away , the days of multi drop seed deliveries are over imo

I dunno. I’m getting 4 ton Gleam on thursday, but no sign of any barley that I could do with.

 

[Green oak]

Your probably find that’s your 1 tonne of barley seed will come in 4 half tonne bags. and they haven’t got enough bags because there all made in China.

 

[Eartha Kitt]

I wonder if one of CF’s caveats in this deal was that DEFRA bans urea in the UK?

 

[Green oak]

I wonder if one of CF’s caveats in this deal was that DEFRA bans urea in the UK?

So imported grain and oilseeds grown on urea should not enter its country.

 

[Sprog]

Important isn't what matters though. What matters is whether a profit can be made at the price offered by the market.

Assuming a therm of gas costs £1000 and you can make 1.9t of fert and 3 tonnes of CO2.

If the fertiliser is worth £500/t that's £950, and perhaps CO2 is worth £5/t that makes a total output of £965. Making a loss not a profit, therefore may as well shut the plant down.

Even if the price of CO2 tripled, that would only add an extra £30 to the equation.

I think that's the issue - the CO2 is the by-product as it's not worth processing the gas for alone without being able to sell the fertiliser because it's such low value, even if it is an important commodity in certainy sectors.

You may be right as I’m certainly no expert and I don’t know how much of the CO2 produced is sold and how much, if any, is dumped but a quick google tells me that if I wanted to exchange an empty CO2 cylinder for a refill I would be paying considerably more than £5/t.
Initially the rise in price of fertiliser may well have been a supply and demand issue. Then as gas prices rose fertiliser manufacturers increased prices to try to recoup the extra costs. But it could be that if they marketed their CO2 better then they could charge less for their fertiliser. I really don’t know.
I’m known for talking a load of bollox so feel free to correct my flawed thinking.

 

[sodbuster]

Yarra released a price list at 2pm today and pulled it it a 5pm

 

[Nitrams]

I can believe it. I have had no seed coming in, and none of my seed crops going out. At this rate I can see me having to sell all the wheat as feed.

Get the seed cleaners in and away to go

 

[Nitrams]

Boris johnson announces a deal to provide goverment support to CF to produce CO2 otherwise known as a greenhouse gas at some climate job in the US. How ironic! You cant write this stuff.

 

[EddieB]

Get the seed cleaners in and away to go

It’s nearly getting to that point. But a few of the contracts to multiply PB seed give significant premiums so it’s tempting to wait for deliveries.

 

[Nitrams]

It’s nearly getting to that point. But a few of the contracts to multiply PB seed give significant premiums so it’s tempting to wait for deliveries.

Decent market on here, im sure you will still acheive your premium

 

[Goffer]

Only Billingham reopening according to news, Ince staying closed

 

[Steevo]

Only Billingham reopening according to news, Ince staying closed

Save that for next week to extract another few million….

 

[Steevo]

“The BBC understands that the deal with CF Industries has been drafted so that other companies who stop production due to high commodity prices will not be able to ask the government for similar help.”

 

[teslacoils]

He who snoozes....

 

[curlietailz]

Only Billingham reopening according to news, Ince staying closed

Said on 10pm news that the Govt bung was just for 3 weeks

 

[bankrupt]

the Govt bung

It's an outrage that whereas cash for Nissan was a "strategic stake", cash for Ineos an "investment", and banksters always get a "bailout", ever since one of the tabloids came up with "farmageddon" for the great CO2 fiasco, cash for CF seems to have become a "subsidy".

 

[More to life]

Government say they have fixed the problem but with just one factory subsidized for 3 weeks that sounds like a sticking plaster to me.

 

[Darius_Jedburgh]

Radio4 just reporting that the deal with CF is that HMG will 'cover the operating costs' for 3 weeks production for the Billingham factory- At peak /optimal production the factory can produce around 1200t of Nitram a day but it may take a few days to reach this so a rough calculation is it will possibly make 15kt of fertiliser and a similar amount of CO2 - This is negligible in the scale of things and there is no indication that the current gas price will be low enough to alter the original commercial rationale why CF shut down production. Unless an alternative source of CO2 can be secured in a very short time we will be back at the same crisis point in 3 weeks time.

Any chance the deal included a requirement to sell the fertiliser to UK farmers at a reduced price given the cost of production has been covered by the UK tax payer or is the profit the sweetner being gifted to CF who have the UK by the short & curlies?......

 

[livestock 1]

Something interesting here to mention may be irrelevant.
A fair few farms gone off using fertiliser all together round here. They are on digestate and some have signed up now with tanks in too. A few more I’ve spoken to say they aren’t going to be buying any more fert and going onto digestate. There’s 2 massive tankers turned up with dribble bars on a couple of different farms both do contracting, one has his own artics and tankers to lead it. Results are brilliant too.
I wonder how this will effect the fert production and co2? In time

 

[Beef farmer]

Very little