Finding out Who Owns an Unregistered Road

[Ukjay]

Hi,

Would anyone have experience - or happen to know how one could go about finding out who owns an unregistered, unmaintained roadway / track please. I have been on land registry but it is not registered.
The road / track adjoins an adopted road - but then I can find nothing about the remaining section that is basically being left to its own devices and is not repaired etc.

 

[TripleSix]

Get a mini digger and start digging a hole in the middle of it.

Someone will soon appear.

 

[Ukjay]

Get a mini digger and start digging a hole in the middle of it.

Someone will soon appear.

I like your thinking..

Reason for my quest, is that we are looking at properties and one of them has written agreed use of an unregistered road, so trying to locate the owners to clarify something on the permissions rather than find out after and end up in a lot of legal battles over access rights etc.

 

[roscoe erf]

I like your thinking..

Reason for my quest, is that we are looking at properties and one of them has written agreed use of an unregistered road, so trying to locate the owners to clarify something on the permissions rather than find out after and end up in a lot of legal battles over access rights etc.

chances are no one owns it if you get an easement to access the property from the Sellars and then get an indemnity once you have brought the property you can then register it with land registry bits like this were left after estates were broke up after the first world war they are Never registered and just left as society back then weren't full of arse holes

 

[Still Farming]

Parish councils, community councils repairian joining landowners etc etc.
Any Church records also???

 

[chaffcutter]

We have a similar track in the village, it belongs to the last property accessed from it, worth investigating before you spend any money trying to trace through legals?

 

[Nearly]

A friend owns the track to a number of cottages. They were restricting his access into his field so he's now enforcing the letter of the agreement. Access for residents only. NO visitors, parcel van etc. Serves them right.
The houses are now unsaleable as prospective buyers are not permitted to visit.
You do well to check it out.

 

[Still Farming]

A friend owns the track to a number of cottages. They were restricting his access into his field so he's now enforcing the letter of the agreement. Access for residents only. NO visitors, parcel van etc. Serves them right.
The houses are now unsaleable as prospective buyers are not permitted to visit.
You do well to check it out.

Surly walk there and footpaths created over years of travel and use???

 

[Ukjay]

chances are no one owns it if you get an easement to access the property from the Sellars and then get an indemnity once you have brought the property you can then register it with land registry bits like this were left after estates were broke up after the first world war they are Never registered and just left as society back then weren't full of arse holes

I will have to look into that, as this kind of thing is new to me. Don't want to end up land locked.

 

[Still Farming]

Even if no title with land registry, there could be still paper deeds somewhere proving different?

 

[Ukjay]

A friend owns the track to a number of cottages. They were restricting his access into his field so he's now enforcing the letter of the agreement. Access for residents only. NO visitors, parcel van etc. Serves them right.
The houses are now unsaleable as prospective buyers are not permitted to visit.
You do well to check it out.

Understand his frustration - but turning someone's home into a valueless item is not justified imho, as he could have enforced access by other means but chose not to.
One reason why I'm investigating this, as like @roscoe erf states, there are a few a-holes about who take pleasure in making peoples lives miserable.

 

[Ukjay]

Even if no title with land registry, there could be still paper deeds somewhere proving different?

That's what I'm trying to track down, the original deeds to the property. There is written motor vehicle access if any kind noted on some documents from 1982, but the property is circa 1800s and just doing due diligence here to cover ourselves.

 

[Still Farming]

That's what I'm trying to track down, the original deeds to the property. There is written motor vehicle access if any kind noted on some documents from 1982, but the property is circa 1800s and just doing due diligence here to cover ourselves.

Any local Archives, tithe maps, history groups, Council records etc etc about?

 

[farmerm]

A friend owns the track to a number of cottages. They were restricting his access into his field so he's now enforcing the letter of the agreement. Access for residents only. NO visitors, parcel van etc. Serves them right.
The houses are now unsaleable as prospective buyers are not permitted to visit.
You do well to check it out.

How does he enforced it?

 

[Still Farming]

How does he enforced it?

Stand there all day possibly???

 

[Nearly]

Understand his frustration - but turning someone's home into a valueless item is not justified imho, as he could have enforced access by other means but chose not to.
One reason why I'm investigating this, as like @roscoe erf states, there are a few a-holes about who take pleasure in making peoples lives miserable.

Now he's got their attention the ONLY access has opened up into the field and negotiations continue.

 

[Nearly]

How does he enforced it?

Stand there all day possibly???

It took less time than knocking on the doors to find out who's cars were blocking his gateway.

 

[Ukjay]

Any local Archives, tithe maps, history groups, Council records etc etc about?

I downloaded the current land registry title that goes back so far (present owner sales data etc), but I need to get further back to find out the history so that I can reduce the time in terms of using a solicitor to gather this data, as it is inconclusive.

 

[farmerm]

It took less time than knocking on the doors to find out who's cars were blocking his gateway.

I have an agricultural right of access to an outlying field via a track owned and maintained by someone else. The right does not apply solely to me, I am confident my contractors are allowed to use the route to conduct agricultural operations on that field under my instruction. Now an "agreement" might not be the same as a right of access but I would be surprised if the continued permitted access over a long period doesn't now constitute a right of access? A residential right of access surely also permits access for any reasonable residential activities such as mail delivery, service engineers or potential buyers looking to view?

I appreciate blocked gateways are frustrating but it is better to at least try to work with ones neighbours than create enemies from them. Sure way to arrive at the field, field someone has been driving though the crop, that someone has put a heavy chain and padlock on the gate and dropped a load of nails inside the gateway... No one wins in a neighbour war! The story goes that our farmhouse had listed building status applied only as a direct consequence of a trivial disagreement between a previous generation family member and the wrong neighbour with influence in the wrong place.

 

[farmerm]

I downloaded the current land registry title that goes back so far (present owner sales data etc), but I need to get further back to find out the history so that I can reduce the time in terms of using a solicitor to gather this data, as it is inconclusive.

Could you register it as yours